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re: Wading through the court transcripts from the book keeping error trial

Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by Ebridg3
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2016
2958 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:08 pm to
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The felony enhancement is where the issues lie.


And wouldn't the felony enhancement be mandatorily explicit, as the trial had no legal right to exist without its existence due to SOL?

There's a reason TC said beware of people defending this trial and I believe that's because it's a clear indication of those who truly have TDS that overrides their own logic or reasoning.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
87048 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:08 pm to
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not of a crime.


You’re confusing evidence with proof. Evidence can be falsified or even wrong. Proof is just that, proof of a crime.

For example, Democrats always do there is “no evidence of fraud from the 2020 election” they’re dead wrong. There has been plenty, but does that evidence prove Trump won? That’s what no one has been able to do since the cases were thrown out by partisan hacks.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7705 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:09 pm to
Not sure why you think this.

There were 34 documents presented that were claimed to have been falsified.

Some of the documents had Trump's signature on them.

Those without his signature had testimony from a slew of people indicating that Trump gave direction to falsify the documents.

There were also text messages and e-mails to that effect beyond testimony and signatures.

It took the prosecutor five hours in closing to go through the evidence chain again. That's all they did to close. They didn't make emotional appeals or anything, they simply showed the chain of evidence as a summarization.

The case had little from the prosecution other than a chain of evidence. They didn't really have to "argue" anything. It was just evidence.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465858 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:10 pm to
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And wouldn't the felony enhancement be mandatorily explicit, as the trial had no legal right to exist without its existence due to SOL?

If you're asking if the misdemeanors exist, they do not, due to SOL. The felonies do potentially exist.

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There's a reason TC said beware of people defending this trial


Bad laws create questionable trials. Welcome to the Police State. It's only like 40-50 years old (if not older).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465858 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:11 pm to
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You’re confusing evidence with proof. Evidence can be falsified or even wrong. Proof is just that, proof of a crime.

Thank you
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89762 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:12 pm to
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Then the Trump Organization shouldn't have paid him back

What they 100% should have done is pay him more than his actual work and "expenses"


I agree they mishandled this, primarily from cohen’s whining and refusal to go away because of his home loan and cohen’s wife

people forget that DJT is a pretty famous germaphobe, so the concept of him fricking a pornstar is pretty laughable, espcially in light of her testimony and description of the act

an admitted escort with hundreds of sex scenes on film blacking out from sex with a billionaire is hilarious on its face and prejudicial testimony

why they agreed to handle the persistent and stupid cohen financially the way they did is a mystery to me

if there was any legitimacy to her claim, DJT would have handled it much more close to the vest and seriously
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26075 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:12 pm to
Isn't what Stormy did..extortion and blackmail? Last i checked both are illegal.
Posted by Ebridg3
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2016
2958 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:18 pm to
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took the prosecutor five hours in closing to go through the evidence chain again. That's all they did to close. They didn't make emotional appeals or anything, they simply showed the chain of evidence as a summarization.


So what other crime was he attempting to conceal by doing this? They spent all their time arguing a misdemeanor that had already expires its SOL and convinced thr jury that this was the federal crime they were supposed to decide?
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4789 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:18 pm to
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Then there was evidence.
There were two people who could have possibly corroborated this but as I understand it, they were not called.

Why do you think that was?
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7705 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:19 pm to
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For example, Democrats always do there is “no evidence of fraud from the 2020 election” they’re dead wrong. There has been plenty, but does that evidence prove Trump won? That’s what no one has been able to do since the cases were thrown out by partisan hacks.


I think you have a small misunderstanding of evidence.

All courts require a certain degree of evidence to hold a trial. It's a relatively small requirement in civil trials but a pretty high bar in criminal trials.

For the election stealing court cases they were civil suits. They where thrown out because there wasn't enough evidence even to warrant a civil trial. That's actually kind of hard to get to unless you really have no evidence.

For Trump's criminal charges, for 4 different indictments to have been filed means that for each of them they reached the higher bar of evidence necessary to bring criminal charges. That means there's quite a lot of evidence available that suggest a crime may have happened.

Also keep in mind what evidence is. It's not a guess as to what happened. It's either documents (including electronic), testimony or tangible objects that make the existence of a fact more or less probable.

It's not a theory that something could happen. It's testimony or actual THINGS that show that it's likely it DID happen.

With the election stuff there was an incredible scarcity of evidence that showed likelihood that the election was stolen in any way. Forget proof, there wasn't even anything suggesting election theft occurred.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465858 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:20 pm to
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an admitted escort with hundreds of sex scenes on film blacking out from sex with a billionaire is hilarious on its face and prejudicial testimony


"Tigerdroppings pussy is undefeated"

-justice (probably)
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66258 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:20 pm to
SFP- “credibility”


The jokes write themselves
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125360 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:21 pm to
You’re my new favorite dumbfrick on Poliboard.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85779 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:22 pm to
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Credibility determination is a different thing that presenting evidence.



Muh no evidence
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7705 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:23 pm to
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So what other crime was he attempting to conceal by doing this? They spent all their time arguing a misdemeanor that had already expires its SOL and convinced thr jury that this was the federal crime they were supposed to decide?


The crime being concealed with Cohen's crime of election interference, which he had pled guilty to in 2018 and has served jail time for.

They didn't have to spend much time on it because it's kind of a given. It's not a potential crime, it is one that has already gone to trial and been found to have happened.

It's incorrect to think the crime being concealed needs to be a crime that Trump committed.

If you stole money from your boss and I falsified business records to hide the fact, I'd be guilty of felony falsification of business documents like Trump was.

Am I guilty of the theft? No. Doesn't matter that I was concealing your crime rather than mine. It's a felony to cover up ANY crime.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85779 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:24 pm to
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With the election stuff there was an incredible scarcity of evidence that showed likelihood that the election was stolen in any way. Forget proof, there wasn't even anything suggesting election theft occurred.


It was found that election laws were broken or changed unconstitutionally and judges just saying you can’t do that again.


And you can go ahead and now do the evidence against Hunter and Joe.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 3:25 pm
Posted by LSUbacchus81
Hendersonville, TN
Member since Aug 2007
5477 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:28 pm to
SFP can you explain why this trial was allowed to take place if this was outside of the statute of limitations ? I’m honestly not sure what to believe with this issue.
Posted by FlySaint
FL Panhandle
Member since May 2018
2322 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:31 pm to
Didn’t Cohen previously testified that there was no scheme. And didn’t Daniel’s sign a sworn affidavit there was no affair? So were they lying then or now? Or both times depending on what benefits them most? Very credible. And that’s the best “evidence” Bragg had.

Only the seriously mentally ill can see this as anything other than a politically based persecution.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89762 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:31 pm to
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They didn't have to spend much time on it because it's kind of a given. It's not a potential crime, it is one that has already gone to trial and been found to have happened.


wait, cohen didnt go to trial, he plead out

nothing was proven in court regarding campaign finance laws and reading Brad Smith’s twitter thread no campaign finance law was actually broken

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Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66258 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 3:32 pm to
That poster is a lying prog stain
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