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Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:55 am to HubbaBubba
Easy fix…develop a pot that smells good.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:58 am to Indefatigable
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Yea that isn’t true
ChatGPT says false hit rate is 20-50% on stops and as high as 60-80% in field tests.
Two other studies had it at 32 and 36% false hit rate.
That is unacceptable for reasonable supsicion. No clue how it is still allowed.
I dont like criminals, but I dont like a police state as much if not more.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 7:03 am
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:13 am to Dirt Booger
quote:Except for all the cops that have done just that.
Either way, nobody is gonna lie about smelling it and yet hope the stuff they don’t actually smell is in there
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:22 am to Undertow
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I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but where do you draw the line when it comes to probable cause? Because using that same logic a cop could invent probable cause for any multitude of circumstances, but I think cops need to have power to search due to probable cause in many of those cases.
I draw it at things that can not be verified ever.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:37 am to geauxturbo
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ChatGPT says false hit rate is 20-50% on stops and as high as 60-80% in field tests.
For the dogs? Nah.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:14 am to imjustafatkid
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No, unlike what you must assume, I am very familiar with the difference.
I'm glad you're a smell sommelier mate but I don't trust the average cop that graduated high school with a 2.4 GPA to be as discerning.
There are wild plants in GA that smell close enough to weed to trigger a search, this would be a tremendous expansion of search power that law enforcement doesn't need.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:27 am to hogcard1964
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If they can search a car due to the smell of fresh weed during a traffic stop, why not allow them to do it at a house?
You can spend an hour or two drawing up an affidavit and getting a warrant before a magistrate and when you are done, the house will still be there ready to be searched. The car - long gone.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:28 am to JimEverett
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You can spend an hour or two drawing up an affidavit and getting a warrant before a magistrate and when you are done, the house will still be there ready to be searched. The car - long gone.
In this case, they did obtain a warrant.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:38 am to imjustafatkid
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In this case, they did obtain a warrant.
Still, that is what makes a house different from cars. Police generally do not need a warrant to search a car if they smell drugs
In this case, though- based on the article, the warrant was obtained by using not only the "smell of marijuana" but also what the officers saw in the hosue when they did a protective sweep of the house. Supposedly in search of the suicidal woman?
Did they do protective sweeps of all the houses in the area or only this one - using the suicidal woman as a pretext to search for drugs?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:51 am to JimEverett
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In this case, though- based on the article, the warrant was obtained by using not only the "smell of marijuana" but also what the officers saw in the hosue when they did a protective sweep of the house. Supposedly in search of the suicidal woman?
Yes, and those sorts of sweeps have been long deemed constitutional.
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Did they do protective sweeps of all the houses in the area or only this one - using the suicidal woman as a pretext to search for drugs?
Don't know. Did anyone argue they went to the wrong house? That doesn't appear to be the case.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 12:26 pm to geauxturbo
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I dont like criminals, but I dont like a police state as much if not more.
Yep. Only the weak minded are willing to permanently trade away fundamental rights for the sake of 'safety'. See the COVIDIOTS, for instance.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 2:19 pm to omegaman66
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I draw it at things that can not be verified ever.
You could just as easily verify that someone possesses weed after smelling weed as you can that there’s a dead body in a house after smelling decomposition.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 2:34 pm to Christopher Columbo
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What if you live in a motor home?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:06 pm to Indefatigable
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For the dogs? Nah
That is correct. The dogs. A study in Austrailia had the hit rate at a measley 20%.
Problem likely isnt the dog, though. Its more likely the lying sack of shite on the other end of the leash.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:10 pm to hogcard1964
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If they can search a car due to the smell of fresh weed during a traffic stop, why not allow them to do it at a house?
Because the car is not your castle. Dumbass.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:14 pm to omegaman66
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I draw it at things that can not be verified ever.
I tend to agree with you on smelling weed, but it should be noted that the eyewitness testimony of only one person is also something that cannot be verified ever.
It's why ancient Jewish law required at least two witnesses.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:15 pm to imjustafatkid
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What exactly is probable cause to search for drugs if the smell of drugs isn't probable cause? This strikes me as raising the bar of "probable cause" so high as to make investigating this crime impossible.
If you have probable cause to search a home, you get a warrant. Absent that, consent, or exigency….you don’t get to just search homes.
Thank God for the 4th amendment.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:16 pm to imjustafatkid
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This search shouldn't be illegal. They clearly smelled drugs, and were obviously correct that they smelled them.
Again, if there is probable cause that there are drugs, you obtain a search warrant. Smell doesn’t equal exigency.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 7:21 pm to imjustafatkid
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None. They won't be smelling drugs coming from my house.
…until one says they do. And then how are you going to prove that wrong? To act like there has never been a cop that lied about smelling something bc it is one thing impossible to prove even with cameras everywhere now is so naive.
This is why civil rights are important. The fact there are Americas who think like you would be embarrassing if it weren’t so sad.
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