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re: VP touts investments in Central America to curb migration
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:18 am to squid_hunt
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:18 am to squid_hunt
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You stated that the country isn't the government.
Correct
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If you are supplying the people there, you are propping up their government.
1) i disagree
2) i never said we should “supply the people there”
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I fail to see how the ex-Senator and Vice President has any relevance. Since she's a rampant socialist, I also find it unlikely that this isn't a tax payer funded boondoggle
Well i agree with you here. Never stated otherwise.
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:22 am to Hester Carries
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At no point have i ever mentioned “giving money to foreign governments”
Giving money to those foreign countries IS giving money to those governments.
It's not like we are giving it to individual business's to build themselves up and better the lives of the workers and communities around them.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:25 am to Hester Carries
So pick a country. Pick an amount, say ...$20M. Do you honestly think that its government won't rake in those funds to a large extent? i.e., which country down there do you trust to use that money as biden says he intends? Say your country, despite the practical odds, makes it work, i.e. the money goes to solid investments. What's a reasonable time frame for that investment to result in its people not leaving the country? For the trickle down effect to reach the poverty stricken? Now, how long does it take to get the wall up & working? Not on paper but working to stop the flow of thousands?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:55 am to Hester Carries
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1) i disagree
2) i never said we should “supply the people there”
Nuh uh, you misunderstood is a silly way to go through life.
I'm sure your plain words don't mean what they seem to mean. That's my fault.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:07 am to squid_hunt
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Nuh uh, you misunderstood is a silly way to go through life.
“I assume you mean the dumbest thing i can possibly imagine because that’s easier to argue against” is equally silly.
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I'm sure your plain words don't mean what they seem to mean. That's my fault.
My plain words never said what you said they did. You are just trying to dunk on me so you are refusing to meet me where I’m explicitly trying to meet you.
1) i never said we SHOULD do anything
2) I never said walls dont work
3) i definitely never said i trust our government or any other government to honestly or effectively spend a dollar on ANYTHING
4) i never said that my preference over all other options is to invest in these countries.
I simply stated that, if invested honestly, stabilizing your volatile neighbors has a positive impact on unwanted immigration. And given that that could be done, would be a better use of a dollar than stabilizing the Middle East. Seems pretty cut and dry.
Now if you want to debate whether we SHOULD be doing that, find another guy. Because i dont think the US government should be doing 90% of what its already doing.
I’m simply talking efficacy of an idea.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:58 am to CamdenTiger
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All Dems do is throw other peoples money at a problem they’ll never fix…
Nor even attempt to fix - all they ever do is stuff that exacerbates existing problems.
Without these "problems" to throw other people's money at with flowing promises, they have nothing at all to sell.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:02 pm to Ag Zwin
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Vice President Kamala Harris, eager to show progress on one of her most high-profile assignments, plans to announce on Monday $540 million in private investments in Central America as part of the administration’s plan to reduce migration from the area by improving local conditions.
What percentage of that ends up in her private bank account? 5%?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:04 pm to Hester Carries
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This is simply an effective way to do that. More so than walls and border agents, unfortunately
That part right there is pure bullshite.
These tax dollars of yours goes 90% into corrupt politicians pockets (on both sides of the deal) = this is the 'free money" by which high rolling politicians on both sides of the deal are able to purchase multiple million dollar mansions = on their 'civil service' salaries.
GIVING should only be done by INDIVIDUALs using their OWN money. - anything else is a magnet for corruption under the cover of 'charity'
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:04 pm to Hester Carries
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And decreasing unwanted immigration from frickoff countries improves my life. This is simply an effective way to do that. More so than walls and border agents, unfortunately
A shoot on sight border policy would be a much cheaper alternative.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:06 pm to VADawg
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What percentage of that ends up in her private bank account? 5%?
that money gets speed around to a lot of people in the 'charity chain' - maybe 10% actually gets to wherever it is supposed to 'take care of the problem.'
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:09 pm to SippyCup
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I'm all for bringing manufacturing, Pharma, Semiconductors, etc to Central America. Investing in central America could keep immigration down, help run out the cartels (sorry see I ay), and decrease shipping costs.
From a government perspective, I thought this was a potential win for Trump when in office via NAFTA restructuring. Make the trading with these countries more favorable than using China. Whatever low quality goods are made in China can be made south of our border. Shift manufacturing to this hemisphere.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:10 pm to ChineseBandit58
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= this is the 'free money" by which high rolling politicians on both sides of the deal are able to purchase multiple million dollar mansions = on their 'civil service' salaries.
If you are going to go with “the money wouldn’t be spent the way you are saying” then why would that not be true for a wall or border security? Couldn’t that money be corruptly misappropriated in a similar fashion?
“Yeah but corruption” isn’t a great argument for or against the hypothesis of an idea. Sure, once you agree on the efficacy of an idea, at its purest, you can discuss corruption.
“Yea but corruption!” Is the same nonstarter that anti-capitalists use.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:11 pm to Hester Carries
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if invested honestly,
Let us know the first time that ever happens - since the Marshall Plan anyway (and that was rife with problems - the biggest of which is that it set in motion the idea that giving away massive amounts of money was an effective way to solve anything.
Especially to inherently corrupt governments who are responsible for the problems we are trying to bribe them into solving. (hint - if they 'solve' the problem, then the $$ spigot gets turned off - how many fat despots are going to ignore that fact??)
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:12 pm to Ag Zwin
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No idea what role she can actually claim, but I’ll give them credit for the messaging. You know she’ll get roasted by progs saying we should take them all in.
Yeah. The Biden admin is going to be roasted by the progs. What world do you live in
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Fixing things there is key to them not coming here
No. Making it hard for them to come is the key.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:13 pm to Ag Zwin
It's pretty common sense that improving a migrants situation in their own country is the way to slow migration down. It's how it's done, and see the improvements.
Chyna is knee deep throughout the area so let's see how they are in the mix.
Chyna is knee deep throughout the area so let's see how they are in the mix.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:14 pm to TOSOV
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t's pretty common sense that improving a migrants situation in their own country is the way to slow migration down. It's how it's done, and see the improvements.
fricking thank you lol.
I thought so too.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:17 pm to Ag Zwin
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curb migration
1. End the War on Drugs thus cutting off the cartels source of income.
2. Make work visas easier to get.
3. Eliminate entitlements to illegal aliens and work visa holders. This includes showing up to the ER or dropping the kids off at the public school.
4. Create a 'free trade' zone for all of North and South America. No tariffs, taxes, or barriers to the transfer of people, goods, or services.
Now, this works if you deport violators and remove the social safety nets.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:18 pm to Hester Carries
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hy would that not be true for a wall or border security?
because we can see the erection of the border wall = and it was necessitated by over half a century of bad policy that attracts more of them.
You know very well that the only reason Democrats want more immigrants (preferably illegal because they are harder to trace and make for good census numbers to increase representation from the sanctuary states to vote for more of the same)Additionally their real motive is to make 'voting people" out of them - either by amnesty.citizenship, or just using them as more fodder for illegitimate ballots.
Plus, they more we invite poverty stricken people with promises to give them free stuff merely exacerbates the existing poverty base, creating more problems that can be used to push the "racism" bullshite.
It is all a bad idea - it never ever does any good for the honest CITIZENS of this nation.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:22 pm to Hester Carries
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“Yeah but corruption” isn’t a great argument for or against the hypothesis of an idea. Sure, once you agree on the efficacy of an idea, at its purest, you can discuss corruption.
Damn. - how old are you??
you sound like a starry eyed university student who has never witnessed the destruction caused by ill-conceived 'do-good' ideas.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:22 pm to Ag Zwin
Close the border and STOP STEALING OUR MONEY AND SENDING IT TO CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS IN SHITHOLE COUNTRIES!!!!!
HANDS OFF! DON’T LOOT!!
HANDS OFF! DON’T LOOT!!
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