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VP touts investments in Central America to curb migration
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:44 am
No idea what role she can actually claim, but I’ll give them credit for the messaging. You know she’ll get roasted by progs saying we should take them all in.
Fixing things there is key to them not coming here.
LA Times
Fixing things there is key to them not coming here.
LA Times
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Vice President Kamala Harris, eager to show progress on one of her most high-profile assignments, plans to announce on Monday $540 million in private investments in Central America as part of the administration’s plan to reduce migration from the area by improving local conditions.
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:45 am to Ag Zwin
We should certainly prop up radical socialism in South America. That should fix it.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:46 am to Ag Zwin
Money laundering scheme involving USAID in 3,2,1....
Gotta replace the Ukraine and Afghanistan slush funds in some way.
Gotta replace the Ukraine and Afghanistan slush funds in some way.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:47 am to Ag Zwin
Might as well just burn that money, will do nothing. All Dems do is throw other peoples money at a problem they’ll never fix…
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:47 am to Ag Zwin
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Fixing things there is key to them not coming here.
There is actually a lot of truth to this.
I have been researching this for a while.
I do believe that we would be better off partnering with these locally relevant countries and their governments rather than pouring money into conflicts with Middle-eastern shitholes.
Immigration is like a vacuum. And rather than sealing the door, depressurizing the atmosphere would be a better long term solution.
Currently we are simply working on depressurizing the cabin (I.e. making the USA just as shitty).
ETA: the only stance made in this post is that given the option between pouring money into the Middle East or trying to improve surrounding countries with the expressed intent of limiting immigration, we should focus on shite that immediately affects us. This got downvoted. Is this board back to being Bush era NeoCons or is it simply a matter of we can’t discuss nuance that exists WITHIN THE SAME political stance (i.e. lets stop illegal immigration).
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:48 am to Hester Carries
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I do believe that we would be better off partnering with these locally relevant countries and their governments rather than pouring money into conflicts with Middle-eastern shitholes.
Why else do I pay taxes if not to prop up corrupt governments and wage wars for corporate interests?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:50 am to Ag Zwin
More redistribution of wealth …. Build the damn wall and enforce laws.
Should states like Texas, Colorado, Tennessee, Montana, etc start using their state tax dollars to invest in California so those people don’t immigrate to their states? That’s the equivalent of what our federal government is doing.
FJB
Should states like Texas, Colorado, Tennessee, Montana, etc start using their state tax dollars to invest in California so those people don’t immigrate to their states? That’s the equivalent of what our federal government is doing.
FJB
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:51 am to squid_hunt
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Why else do I pay taxes if not to prop up corrupt governments and wage wars for corporate interests?
I’m the biggest “tax is theft” guy on this board.
But if you have my taxes you better fricking improve my life. And decreasing unwanted immigration from frickoff countries improves my life. This is simply an effective way to do that. More so than walls and border agents, unfortunately
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:53 am to Hester Carries
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Immigration is like a vacuum. And rather than sealing the door, depressurizing the atmosphere would be a better long term solution.
Or we put up a wall, and detain illegal border crossers. That seemed to stymie the flow under Trump. Wonder what changed....
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:53 am to Cajun Cricket
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More redistribution of wealth …. Build the damn wall and enforce laws.
At least according to the report, this is private investment money.
It’s OK to give credit to the other side when they do something you agree with. Makes it more credible when you criticize the stuff they screw up.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:53 am to Ag Zwin
I'm all for bringing manufacturing, Pharma, Semiconductors, etc to Central America. Investing in central America could keep immigration down, help run out the cartels (sorry see I ay), and decrease shipping costs.
Of course, this is not their plan, but that's what I would support.
Of course, this is not their plan, but that's what I would support.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:55 am to Hester Carries
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More so than walls and border agents,
You have never listened to border agents speak about the situation, have you?
I was listening to a chief border agent in El Paso. Prior to a wall being built, there was a 56 mile gap with no or limited fencing. They apprehended over 90,000 people in a year's time. After the wall was built in that area, less than 8000 people were caught trying to enter illegally.
Walls work, and any idiot that says otherwise, has no basic concept of walls/barriers.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:56 am to Hester Carries
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But if you have my taxes you better fricking improve my life. And decreasing unwanted immigration from frickoff countries improves my life. This is simply an effective way to do that.
We've been propping up South American governments since the fifties or sixties. Show me the study that shows the effectiveness. With our current technology, drones, construction, heat detection, vibration detection, motion detection, we could build a nearly perfect wall to stop immigration if we wanted to for pennies on the dollar comparatively and a minimum of staff.
If we wanted to do so.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:01 am to BugAC
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Walls work, and any idiot that says otherwise, has no basic concept of walls/barriers.
I’m not claiming walls dont work. I support a wall. I also wear my seatbelt when i drive. That doesnt mean i take my hands off the wheel and drive with my eyes closed.
I also lend some credence to the idea that there are things that can be done to limit the amount of people in close proximity that want to jump those walls. Thats a fact.
Now if the argument is that the things that could be done would not be done, due to incompetence or corruption, thats a completely different discussion.
i never claimed to trust the competence or intentions of Heels up or any other politician.
I simply stated that, on paper, it would have a positive effect. Do we have to devolve to the worst possible solution on every issue?
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 10:05 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:04 am to squid_hunt
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Show me the study that shows the effectiveness.
You need a study to show you that countries surrounded by stable, thriving countries, has less unwanted/low-skilled immigration from those places?
Because also….
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propping up South American governments
Is not at all what i was talking about. Countries =/= their governments.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:06 am to Hester Carries
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Countries =/= their governments.
Yes, they do. To the outside world, we are D.C. It doesn't matter if the Iranians are all good and freedom loving in theory if they are funding a government which is waging war against the U.S. and supplying their military and infrastructure.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:08 am to Ag Zwin
So not only do these politicians want to give our money to immigrants, they also wanna give our money to the country these illegals came from to make it more appealing.
The citizens of the US are funding other countries while ours declines. Sounds like socialism to me.
The citizens of the US are funding other countries while ours declines. Sounds like socialism to me.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:11 am to squid_hunt
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Yes, they do.
Well if you are going to completely force definitions on my stance that i dont agree with, I’m not sure how you can expect discuss it.
At no point have i ever mentioned “giving money to foreign governments”
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:12 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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So not only do these politicians want to give our money to immigrants, they also wanna give our money to the country these illegals came from to make it more appealing.
Are you one of the investors?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:16 am to Hester Carries
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At no point have i ever mentioned “giving money to foreign governments”
You stated that the country isn't the government. If you are supplying the people there, you are propping up their government. If a private citizen wants to do that with their money, I'm fine with it. Although D.C. generally wants to stick its nose in on those items. But for my tax dollars to be going to those things is garbage.
If it's all private money, then I fail to see how the ex-Senator and Vice President has any relevance. Since she's a rampant socialist, I also find it unlikely that this isn't a tax payer funded boondoggle.
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