re: Virginia police officers threatened Army Lt. during stop (Body Cam footage included)

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Again, just informing. The overwhelming majority of cops are great people that do great work in the community.

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bullshite! You think this is not how these 2 operate all the time? They don’t patrol together but they sure act the same. Why are the “good” cops not reporting and policing their own? Cops do not understand their own state laws much less the constitution. I am done with policing defenders. If you think the vast majority of cops would not violate your constitutional rights then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Thru out history “good” cops have done what was prudent to their own survival and livelihood. See 1935 Germany

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No. See my edit. Cops don't like it when they can't see your hands

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Yes, taking steps to comply with officer commands is the same as putting your hands in your pockets. Your edit reads like satire.

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It's the law in almost all states that the driver is to "pull over immediately." That means then and there on the side of the road. The "looking for a safe spot" is not a legit excuse. It's in the law. Take it up with state legislators. I know a couple of people (both white with no criminal history) who have done the "waiting for a well lit area or safe parking lot" trick and both times the Cops had their guns drawn yelling "Show your hands." Yes they treat everyone like this. For some reason this notion where and when to pull over is at your discretion is prevalent. It's false. It is not up to you.

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You are joking right? Every police force in the country has said driving to a well lit place is ok. Why did they feel the need to pull their service weapon? Because they are afraid and shouldn’t be doing the job. They have plenty of ways to get the person out the car without being idiots. Never heard of driver get out the car with hands up, then interlocking behind head and walking backwards? Also when one of the reasons you are originally pulling car over, license plate missing, becomes false, your whole narrative of the why you stopping him starts to dissolve. The fact your traffic stop becomes about tint and you pull your weapon is sad. A fricking traffic infraction for dark tint escalates to this bullshite.

Edit: maybe he should have called the local dispatch about driving to someplace well lit Andrew they could have relayed it to the pursuing officers,but he might have gotten the billy club for not using hands free.

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At one point, Gutierrez told Nazario he was “fixin’ to ride the lightning,” a reference to the electric chair which was also a line from the movie “The Green Mile,” a film about a Black man facing execution.

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bullshite
It means he was about to get tazed.

It wasn’t a racist comment

Judging by the downvotes in this thread there are still a lot of comply or die bootlickers around here.


The cops are not on your side.

I don’t blame him for not getting out. Those two cops were psychos. Who pulls a gun and tells you they are about to execute you (“ride the lightning “) supposedly over tinted windows or missing plate (which was actually visible)? Cops need to get over this power trip thing. They are not soldiers. They are public servants.

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If I was a Black man, I'd have assumed the SOB was a racist

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Ignoring the fact that you were stupid for getting out of the vehicle, that statement is one of the biggest causes of the perception of racism in this country. The victimhood blacks (which isn't all of them but it's a majority) seem to believe that white people have some sort of a-hole Shield the prevents us from ever having to deal with white assholes. So when they do, they automatically attribute it to racism when it reality all of us get to deal with these people. You're not special and they don't do it because you're black, they do it because they're assholes. We're not spared either.

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The cops are not on your side.

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Not entirely true, but here's the problem. Let's say we're just talking about good cops, not the power trip kind, and I don't pretend to know that percentage. I suspect it's less than half, but it probably varies by area.

But that good cop, even if you lucked out and you're dealing with one, is on the side of the Law Abiding Citizen (LAC). Whether he's on your side or not hinges entirely on his perception of you, which may or may not match reality. You know you're a good guy but he doesn't, so if he thinks you're an LAC you have nothing to worry about. If he thinks you're a threat to LAC then you have everything to worry about, because he's going to look for ways to jack you up. I've seen them brag on a message forum "you might beat the rap but you're gettin' the ride", meaning even if he knows he's got squat he can inconvenience the hell out of you and get an arrest on your record. They do it all the time, and they congratulate themselves because they're protecting LACs in their mind.

So while they may or may not be on your side, you have to assume they aren't, just like when they're playing it safe on a traffic stop late at night they assume you're a threat. I've never had a negative encounter with law enforcement as an adult but I don't trust any of them, ever. Because I have no control over what kind of cop they are and I have no control over what they may think about me.

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Except they are taught at the academy to be aggressive and to consequently create probable cause. With every interaction. With everyone...

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Then the few that I've dealt in with in official interactions failed that part of the academy. I was polite, they were polite, no big deal. But like I said, you never know what kind you're dealing with and you don't get to choose.