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re: Virginia police officers threatened Army Lt. during stop (Body Cam footage included)
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:11 am to BhamDore
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:11 am to BhamDore
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The much smaller group is committing over 95 % of the killings between the two groups.
Law enforcement make up 0.0024% of the 328 million pop. Non law enforcement make up over 99% of the 328 million pop.
0.0024% of the population is committing over 95% of the killings between the 2 groups.
It's not that hard what don't you understand?
I understand that you are simply manipulating statistics in a dishonest way to say what you want them to say. The fact is that police officers are far more likely to be killed by criminals than criminals are to be killed by police officers. It's simply a fact.
Only one of these populations has full control of whether or not they are involved in such an interaction. The other population is paid to involve themselves in these interactions to maintain order in our society.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 11:12 am
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:14 am to imjustafatkid
Glad the cops got fired for this they were doing their jobs poorly.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:32 am to imjustafatkid
You can't argue against the numbers. They are what they are.
I would argue the way I presented them is the best and only true way to paint the picture accurately.
Officers kill non criminals . Do you have the numbers for criminal and non criminal cop interactions? You have presented zero facts. Just dumb opinions.
I would argue the way I presented them is the best and only true way to paint the picture accurately.
quote:
The fact is that police officers are far more likely to be killed by criminals than criminals are to be killed by police officers. It's simply a fact.
Officers kill non criminals . Do you have the numbers for criminal and non criminal cop interactions? You have presented zero facts. Just dumb opinions.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:42 am to BhamDore
Come on man! You know that people committing traffic violations are hardened criminals.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:46 am to NYNolaguy1
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Go enlisted then get commissioned. There's a couple of programs, one called green to gold where the army pays for the already enlisted soldier to get his degree and then get commissioned through ROTC, another where the soldier applies to OCS after he gets his degree on his own, and lastly where the soldier applies to West Point after enlisting and finishes his degree there, no OCS or ROTC needed. I am sure there are others but those are the ways I am aware of.
I want to make sure we're not conflating 2 issues and further confusing things - so, GENERALLY, there are 4 primary paths to getting a commission as an officer in the U.S. military:
1. ROTC
2. Service academy
3. OCS
4. Direct commission
1. has provided the largest cohorts over the years, even after the land grant universities discontinued mandatory ROTC. It is the preferred option for soldiers pursuing a degree leading to a commission in the Regular Army or extended active duty and particularly favored by the USAR.
2. is what 2. is. A free college education following a highly competitive entrance process in exchange for a statutory commitment upon completion of the program and (again, generally) commissioning in the Regular Army.
3. is the preferred path for most enlisted soldiers to get a commission after earning a degree. As the states run their own programs, at least regionally, this is the preferred commissioning source for national guard officers.
4. Direct commission is primarily for special branch officers (Chaplains, doctors, lawyers, etc.) but there have been periods of time where they cherry pick exceptional soldiers, otherwise educationally qualified, and this bypasses OCS/ROTC (historically this has been a relatively rare path for line officers).
Regardless of commissioning source, all officers must get qualified or otherwise credentialed for their respective branches/(whatever else the non-Army officers call their field or specialty) and typically the first formal course that officers from different commissioning sources are trained together (although special branches tend to stay isolated for training until field grade levels).
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:02 pm to captainFid
quote:Point of clarification. He is a 2nd Lieutenant in an inactive status assigned to the 29th Infantry Division of the Virginia Army National Guard. That is not meant to disparage his service, but rather to provide proper understanding of his status.
active duty lieutenant in the military
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:49 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Here you go Mickie, a few videos i know you will enjoy
Sean Reed had a gun and he shot at police - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Raleigh police shoot man over PIZZA! - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Elkanah Odembo's viral twitter arrest
Shaun King, Lee Merritt, and Sherita Dixon-Cole are all garbage
The anatomy of a lying viral tweet
Shaun King vs. Texas Highway Patrol
Reverend Jerrod Moultrie is a liar liar pants on fire (ft. Swaggersouls)
Another person lying about the police on the internet
grandmaw was taken down by Mesa police
People lie on the internet?
Public perception
Liar liar pants on fire episode #112
Liar liar pants on fire episode #174?,000: "activist" defends diddler
Liar liar pants on fire episode #80085
Viral police incidents always lie (liar liar, pants on fire: trinity)
Cops CHOKE UNT student!!!
Jussie Smollett hoax?
cop PLANTS pill
Rio Vista Police body slam woman bodycam footage
woman jerked out of her car by her hair in viral police incident
1 guy 10 police - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Phoenix Police TAKE DOWN 4 year old for stealing a doll! - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Fullerton Police shoot 17 year old female - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
ROAD RAGE lady records herself committing crimes - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
TEN COPS shoot one guy in Hyattsville, Maryland - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Dallas cop CAUGHT LOOTING liquor store!
LINK ]
guy PUTS COP IN COMA, but blue man bad
Raleigh police BRUTALIZE man for filming - Liar liar pants on fire
NYPD officers ARREST BLACK MAN in viral video
guy refuses to put on mask and sprays cops with AK47 - liar liar pants on fire
Sean Reed had a gun and he shot at police - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Raleigh police shoot man over PIZZA! - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Elkanah Odembo's viral twitter arrest
Shaun King, Lee Merritt, and Sherita Dixon-Cole are all garbage
The anatomy of a lying viral tweet
Shaun King vs. Texas Highway Patrol
Reverend Jerrod Moultrie is a liar liar pants on fire (ft. Swaggersouls)
Another person lying about the police on the internet
grandmaw was taken down by Mesa police
People lie on the internet?
Public perception
Liar liar pants on fire episode #112
Liar liar pants on fire episode #174?,000: "activist" defends diddler
Liar liar pants on fire episode #80085
Viral police incidents always lie (liar liar, pants on fire: trinity)
Cops CHOKE UNT student!!!
Jussie Smollett hoax?
cop PLANTS pill
Rio Vista Police body slam woman bodycam footage
woman jerked out of her car by her hair in viral police incident
1 guy 10 police - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Phoenix Police TAKE DOWN 4 year old for stealing a doll! - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Fullerton Police shoot 17 year old female - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
ROAD RAGE lady records herself committing crimes - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
TEN COPS shoot one guy in Hyattsville, Maryland - Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Dallas cop CAUGHT LOOTING liquor store!
LINK ]
guy PUTS COP IN COMA, but blue man bad
Raleigh police BRUTALIZE man for filming - Liar liar pants on fire
NYPD officers ARREST BLACK MAN in viral video
guy refuses to put on mask and sprays cops with AK47 - liar liar pants on fire
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:53 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
Come on man! You know that people committing traffic violations are hardened criminals.
Traffic stops are the most dangerous things police officers do.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:54 pm to BhamDore
quote:
Officers kill non criminals . Do you have the numbers for criminal and non criminal cop interactions? You have presented zero facts. Just dumb opinions.
You were already destroyed in this thread and are now just spouting nonsense.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 1:50 pm to imjustafatkid
Again just stating opinions with zero facts.
If we extrapolate the officer killings of civilians proportional to the general population it would be a ridiculous number.
If there were 328,000,000 million LEOs the same as the gen pop,and they killed citizens at the same rate they would kill 410,000 Americans .
If we extrapolate the officer killings of civilians proportional to the general population it would be a ridiculous number.
If there were 328,000,000 million LEOs the same as the gen pop,and they killed citizens at the same rate they would kill 410,000 Americans .
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:35 pm to captainFid
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But I don't know what happened to cause the situation to escalate,
...agree but the minute they saw the taped 30 day tags to his window, either one of the officers should have deescalated the situation. The vert reason they allegedly pulled him over was proved false and it should have been end of story.
These cops rarely get to pull their guns out in that small town and once the younger cop described it as a "Felony Stop" they couldn't wait to brandish their guns.
They also by law had to tell him why he was being stopped and they didnt.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 12:24 am to MrBiriwa
I watched the body cam footage
he drove a mile and a half with them behind them
he put his hands out and he said he would not get out of the car
they got him out of the car and he resisted the cuffs
it is bad all the way around but the Lt tried to maintain the upper hand by asking questions and refusing orders and he failed
now the cops will face punishment for the Lt’s refusal to comply escalating the situation
he drove a mile and a half with them behind them
he put his hands out and he said he would not get out of the car
they got him out of the car and he resisted the cuffs
it is bad all the way around but the Lt tried to maintain the upper hand by asking questions and refusing orders and he failed
now the cops will face punishment for the Lt’s refusal to comply escalating the situation
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:06 am to MrBiriwa
quote:
They also by law had to tell him why he was being stopped and they didnt.
What you probably didn’t see is that the driver did not pull over for one and a half miles. That is why, along with the tinted videos that they had guns drawn. This was a setup. Watch this video to get the real story and see that the video leaked only show the time AFTER the driver did not stop his vehicle while the police were attempting to pull him over for a mile and a half, that is a long way. Not to mention he would not comply to put his hands out the window and also had a gun by his leg.
YouTube link to the truth will change your mind
This was nothing more than a setup
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:27 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
Traffic stops are the most dangerous things police officers do.
They're up there but I believe domestic violence is higher on the list.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:34 am to BhamDore
quote:As is yours.quote:Bull shite stat.
So I just checked some figures and surprisingly I am actually getting the exact opposite numbers.
There were 45 police officers (out of roughly 700,000) killed by gunfire in 2020. That's roughly 1 out of every 15,555 officers.
There were roughly 1,000 citizens (out of 328,000,000) killed by police in 2020. That's roughly 1 out of every 328,000 citizens.
Which group is more likely to be killed by the other?
I'm one who believes police reform is necessary. However, arguments that cops are "more likely" to kill than be killed are contrived to justify physical resistance to and murders of law enforcement.
The "Kill" stat should relate to ratios of innocent killings. Assuming the cops as not killing in support of a crime, each would be designated as an innocent. Now compare the number of law enforcement deaths per year vs those of innocent civilians they encounter.
On the other hand, if one buys into the "fewer cops are killed" premise that you do, it exposes a belief that cops should be killed with equivalence to murderous perps whom they encounter (which of course discounts other murders or atrocities the perps have already committed and would further commit on escape).
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 6:35 am
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:35 am to BhamDore
Do the same extrapolation with BM on BM murders.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:41 am to LetsgoGamecocks
quote:and?
the driver did not pull over for one and a half miles
Was he trying to evade?
A civilian has every right in the world to seek a safe place to pull over. e.g., There was a situation in NC where a rapist/murderer had police lights and used them to pull women over on isolated stretches of road. The same m.o. was used to murder the Philadelphia MS kids.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:46 am to NC_Tigah
Don’t know what this guy did, but if your goal is to find a safe place you put your hazards on, slow way down, call 911 if possible and then you COMPLY as soon as you stop.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:51 am to michael corleone
quote:
Don’t know what this guy did, but if your goal is to find a safe place you put your hazards on, slow way down, call 911 if possible and then you COMPLY as soon as you stop.
Otherwise captain testosterone might help you “ride the lightning”...
Posted on 4/14/21 at 6:57 am to michael corleone
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but if your goal is to find a safe place you put your hazards on, slow way down,
This is exactly what he did do.
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