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re: Virginia police officers threatened Army Lt. during stop (Body Cam footage included)
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:41 pm to Willie Stroker
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:41 pm to Willie Stroker
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I think we all have higher expectations for the judgement of commissioned officers.
I'd have higher expectations had he earned his rank through the military. He got his BA from Virginia State University then joined the army as a commissioned officer. He has the lowest officer rank. Grunts hate guys like him.
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Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:47 pm to BhamDore
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Police are "20.8 times more likely to kill than be killed by a criminal."
So I just checked some figures and surprisingly I am actually getting the exact opposite numbers.
There were 45 police officers (out of roughly 700,000) killed by gunfire in 2020. That's roughly 1 out of every 15,555 officers.
There were roughly 1,000 citizens (out of 328,000,000) killed by police in 2020. That's roughly 1 out of every 328,000 citizens.
Which group is more likely to be killed by the other?
This post was edited on 4/11/21 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:48 pm to Perse
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I'd have higher expectations had he earned his rank through the military
Unfortunately for the grunts this ^^ is how the majority of officers get commissioned these days. There's way more O1's than O1E's.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:51 pm to NYNolaguy1
What's a more respected way to get commissioned? I'm seriously asking.
I thought the only path to becoming an officer was to do what this guy did.
I thought the only path to becoming an officer was to do what this guy did.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 11:01 pm to LordSaintly
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What's a more respected way to get commissioned? I'm seriously asking.
I thought the only path to becoming an officer was to do what this guy did.
Go enlisted then get commissioned. There's a couple of programs, one called green to gold where the army pays for the already enlisted soldier to get his degree and then get commissioned through ROTC, another where the soldier applies to OCS after he gets his degree on his own, and lastly where the soldier applies to West Point after enlisting and finishes his degree there, no OCS or ROTC needed. I am sure there are others but those are the ways I am aware of.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 11:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
I lived in Annapolis back in the early 1990s, and I met a ton of Middies who had been in the Navy or Marines for a couple of years before they came to the Academy. By all indications, they were the best Mids too.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 11:49 pm to BhamDore
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Police are "20.8 times more likely to kill than be killed by a criminal."
Was coming to school you, but it looks like someone already did. Maybe you should try to educate yourself before making such ridiculous statements.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:21 am to oldskule
Here's another pic of Lieutenant Nazario...out of uni.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:08 am to captainFid
Trying to elude at 15mph below the speed limit. With everything going on I don't blame him for pulling into a well lit area.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:02 am to InkStainedWretch
Yep, the one that used the pepper spray.
He gone.
He gone.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:21 am to NYNolaguy1
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So I just checked some figures and surprisingly I am actually getting the exact opposite numbers.
There were 45 police officers (out of roughly 700,000) killed by gunfire in 2020. That's roughly 1 out of every 15,555 officers.
There were roughly 1,000 citizens (out of 328,000,000) killed by police in 2020. That's roughly 1 out of every 328,000 citizens.
Which group is more likely to be killed by the other?
Bull shite stat. Not every citizen deals with law enforcement. Not ever law enforcement officer is in the field. Total population of each group is irrelevant especially when 100+ million are to young or old to have interaction with police. Nice try though. Only about 60 million Americans have an interaction with police every year.
45 officers killed plus 1000 citizens killed 1045 combined deaths involving officer and civilian confrontations.
Over 95% of them end with the officer killing the citizen and less than 5 % end in the citizen killing the office.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:34 am to imjustafatkid
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Pure nonsense. This is clearly a reference to being tased.
Clearly.
You fricking idiot.
So Metallica wrote a song about getting tased?
""Guilty as charged, but dammit, it ain't right
There's someone else controlling me
Death in the air, strapped in the electric chair
This can't be happening to me"
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:48 am to BhamDore
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Bull shite stat. Not every citizen deals with law enforcement. Not ever law enforcement officer is in the field. Total population of each group is irrelevant especially when 100+ million are to young or old to have interaction with police. Nice try though. Only about 60 million Americans have an interaction with police every year.
Are you really this stupid? If you lower the population of both fields, the stat gets worse for your argument. He phrased it in a way that is as fair as is possible for your viewpoint.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:52 am to BamaGradinTn
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So Metallica wrote a song about getting tased?
Hi. That officer cannot sentence that individual to the electric chair. Your leap to the electric chair is by far the dumbest possible logical leap in this situation. The only two options here are: taser or electric chair. I realize this is not the way the phrase is typically used, but "you're going to be tased" is clearly what the officer intended when he said it.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:55 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:00 am to Wolfhound45
Wow I had totally forgotten about that scene. Completely destroys that moron's argument.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 9:00 am
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:05 am to imjustafatkid
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If you lower the population of both fields, the stat gets worse for your argument. He phrased it in a way that is as fair as is possible for your viewpoint
The much smaller group is committing over 95 % of the killings between the two groups.
Law enforcement make up 0.0024% of the 328 million pop. Non law enforcement make up over 99% of the 328 million pop.
0.0024% of the population is committing over 95% of the killings between the 2 groups.
It's not that hard what don't you understand?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:11 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Body camera footage shows Caron Nazario, who is Black and Latino, was dressed in uniform with his hands held in the air outside the driver's side window as he told the armed officers, "I'm honestly afraid to get out.”
“Yeah, you should be!” one of the officers responded during the stop at a gas station.
Windsor Police Officer Daniel Crocker radioed he was attempting to stop a vehicle with no rear license plate and tinted windows. He said the driver was “eluding police” and he considered it a “high-risk traffic stop,” according to a report he submitted afterward and which was included in the court filing.
Arthur said Nazario explained at the time that he wasn't trying to elude the officer, but was trying to stop in a well-lit area “for officer safety and out of respect for the officers.”
Another officer, Joe Gutierrez, was driving by when he heard Crocker’s call, saw him attempting to stop the SUV and decided to join the traffic stop. Gutierrez acknowledged that Nazario's decision to drive to a lighted area happens to him “a lot, and 80% of the time, it's a minority,” Arthur said, quoting the officer.
The lawsuit says by the time the two officers reached Nazario's SUV, the license plate was visible in the rear.
Nazario drove his SUV to a well-lit gas station where, according to the lawsuit, the two officers got out and immediately drew their guns and pointed them at Nazario after they got out of their cars. The officers then attempted to pull Nazario out of the vehicle while he continued to keep his hands in the air. Gutierrez then stepped back and pepper-sprayed Nazario multiple times as officers yelled for him to get out of the car.
“I don't even want to reach for my seatbelt, can you please? ... My hands are out, can you please — look, this is really messed up,” Nazario stammered upon being pepper-sprayed, his eyes clenched shut.
The officers shouted conflicting orders at Nazario, telling him to put his hands out the window while also telling him to open the door and get out, the lawsuit says. At one point, Gutierrez told Nazario he was “fixin’ to ride the lightning,” a reference to the electric chair which was also a line from the movie “The Green Mile,” a film about a Black man facing execution.
Nazario got out of the vehicle and again asked for a supervisor. Gutierrez responded with “knee-strikes” to his legs, knocking him to the ground, the lawsuit says. The two officers struck him multiple times, then handcuffed and interrogated him.
Look, I support law enforcement, but Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. The officers know they have body cams on and running and still do shite like this that just sets things back even further. I mean, they can't be that stupid. They have to know, but don't care the optics of this kind of issue.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:25 am to HC87
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Remember, they stated he was trying to elude police.
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When?! With his flashers and blinker on, pulling off 1 min and 40 secs later at a well-lit gas station. Yep, he was evading the police. Cmon.
To be certain, if (as the defendants' lawyer states) he was simply trying to get to a well-lit gas station in a reasonable fashion, I agree with you (and why I upvoted your response).
But I don't know what happened to cause the situation to escalate, nor do you, maybe not even the man's own attorney). The truth will come out. Was it 1m 40s of intentional driving to get to a well lit location? I've done it before with police (in the dark). Regardless of what someone else posted earlier in this thread, here in Birmingham, it's advised to do this and LEO don't disagree.
It's a dangerous job, made worse over the past several years and as someone else pointed out... Cops want to return home safely at the end of the day.
I do find it interesting, the Lt. took the time to put his phone in record mode, on the dash to capture this. I assume it was done after he stopped. Perhaps it was just to protect himself... maybe it was to document the 'golden ticket'.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:10 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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active duty Lieutenant in the military
Don’t be fooled by this. It means nothing.
It says that this LT is a fricking moron.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 2:32 pm
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