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re: U.S. House just voted and passed bill on major new gun control laws; with eight Republican

Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:07 am to
Posted by GoT1de
Alabama
Member since Aug 2009
5041 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:07 am to
quote:

I can, however, give guns away as much as I want.


I know you don't care, but giving away a gun is still a transfer, even if nothing of value is paid for it.

I think Biden will issue an EO on guns unless the filibuster is revoked, because there is not going to be 10 senate republicans to vote for a democrat gun bill.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
12071 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:08 am to
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Isn't the background checks that already exist simply a way for the government to know who has a gun already anyway?



The background check only tells them who initially bought the gun. Then after the background check Joe Blow can tell Uncle Sam he sold the gun to Bob from down the street, and there is nothing they can do to track it.

Not so any more with this new law.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28250 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:09 am to
When it says transfer, does that mean I can’t lend my neighbor my gun for a hunting trip without a background check? Or even my brother for that matter?
Posted by Seeker
Member since Jul 2011
2211 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:11 am to
She was the sole beneficiary of the will, so from what I understand, on paper she inherited them because I was not specifically named as the beneficiary of the firearms.

Basically they were all registered in my father's name. He passed and left my step mother as the sole beneficiary of his estate in his will. We don't have a family/succession issue as far has who the guns belong to. We never officially transferred them into my name. They were actually passed to me before he died and have been in my possession since.

It is something we have talked about doing, but it hasn't been a priority. She lives in another state so it is something that we have to plan to do and haven't.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 11:13 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95648 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:12 am to
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I think Biden will issue an EO on guns unless the filibuster is revoked, because there is not going to be 10 senate republicans to vote for a democrat gun bill.


Murk, Collins, Romney, Sasse, Burr, Cassidy, Toomey

Just need 3 more.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Instead, the legislation would expand the cases where a background check is required for the sale or transfer of a firearm by requiring checks for private individuals
How would they know without a registry?
quote:

does not create a firearms registry or other federal mechanisms for review.
Oh. Not yet you mean.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:15 am to
They will keep a log of transactions, which for all purposes is a registry.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 11:15 am
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42085 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:15 am to
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How would this bill affect people in my situation? Would we not be allowed to transfer the guns over?


I am going to say you are guilty and look forward to an extended stay in a re-education camp.
Posted by Seeker
Member since Jul 2011
2211 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:16 am to
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I am going to say you are guilty and look forward to an extended stay in a re-education camp.


Lol well at least I would know the reason.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14752 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:20 am to
Anyone who voted for this is ultimately for government control of firearm ownership. It’s meant to be subtle and the beginning of a registry and tightly controlled ownership requirements. A palatable foray into what they really want
Posted by Overwatch
Member since Feb 2021
127 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:25 am to
Now apply the same process to other enumerated constitutionally protected rights like voting, speech, worship, assembly....
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128843 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:28 am to
quote:

Sasse


If Sasse votes for this, he is effectively resigning from the Senate. You could get a random challenger from the statewide pheasant club that would likely beat him.
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:29 am to
quote:

When it says transfer, does that mean I can’t lend my neighbor my gun for a hunting trip without a background check? Or even my brother for that matter?

Probably
Posted by Overwatch
Member since Feb 2021
127 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:32 am to
8 Republican lawmakers voted with the Democrats to pass the “Background Checks Act” that prohibits private firearms transfers without having a background check:

Vern Buchanan (FL)
Brian Fitzpatrick (PA)
Maria Salazar (FL)
Andrew Garbarino (NY)
Chris Smith (NJ)
Fred Upton (MI)
Carlos Gimenez (FL)
Adam Kinzinger (IL)

Jared Golden (ME) was the one Democrat who voted against the bill according to a preliminary tally of votes.
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
15187 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:34 am to
Proof they have no idea how this works.


First they can person to person.

Then they push the registry.

Then they tax the frick out of you until you can't afford to keep them.
Posted by TomBuchanan
East Egg, Long Island
Member since Jul 2019
6269 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:36 am to
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This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 8:20 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
50771 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:40 am to
quote:

The background check only tells them who initially bought the gun. Then after the background check Joe Blow can tell Uncle Sam he sold the gun to Bob from down the street, and there is nothing they can do to track it.

Not so any more with this new law.

Admittedly, I did not know that. I guess this is one of those areas where I tend to be a little more moderate on. I firmly believe any American should be able to own a gun if they choose to but I also believe that with gun ownership comes great responsibility and if the government has a way of preventing someone with mental issues from owning one, then I'm not totally opposed to that. The stricter background law may be a step in that direction.

I'm smart enough to know, though, that the government could use that registry for just about anything else, too. And that bothers me.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5360 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:41 am to
quote:

 It received a handful of Republican votes — eight — and had one Democrat vote against. 


This kind of crap that infuriates me. When the GOP had both House and Senate, not a single progun bill was passed or even had a fair vote. The Hearing Protection Act was a nonstarter along with every other wishlisted bill. Now here we are watching democrats push a gun control bill not 2 months into a Biden presidency.
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4719 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:46 am to
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When the GOP had both House and Senate


Easier to understand everything when you recognize the Uniparty for its true membership.

Conservative values have not held power in the legislature for many decades. The GOPe are Dems.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
23923 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:46 am to
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I know you don't care, but giving away a gun is still a transfer, even if nothing of value is paid for it.


I don’t even have to act like I gave a gun away. I have to act like the transaction occurred before the law was passed or EO was issued.
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