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re: US Citizen Deported by ICE
Posted on 4/26/25 at 8:56 pm to FearlessFreep
Posted on 4/26/25 at 8:56 pm to FearlessFreep
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meanwhile, this is what a fully legal deportation with exemplary due process looks like:
This doesn’t seem like a normal deportation. The mother and the girls were at a routine immigration appointment. The mother had to have broken the law or something that would get her deported at an immigration appointment.
The father showed up at the ICE field office after the mom and girls were detained and he wasn’t deported. The father was trying to get the girls to his sister-in-law who is a US citizen.
When the father was talking to the mother and tried to give her a lawyer’s phone# the phone was taken from her before he could finish.
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When the father arrived at the address, which led him to the ICE field office in New Orleans, officers gave him a paper saying the mother was “under their custody” and said they could not give him any more information but V.M.L’.s mother “would call him soon,” the petition said.
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Before the father could finish providing the mother with contact information for their attorneys, he heard the ICE officer “take the phone from her and hang up the call,” according to the petition.
This post was edited on 4/26/25 at 9:00 pm
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Posted on 4/26/25 at 8:57 pm to ned nederlander
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When a person gets arrested and has a child with them, do the cops usually detain the child too? No. That does not happen. Kids don’t go to jail either their parents.
Families of illegals are routinely kept together at detention facilities. The ACLU even sued to make sure this became the status quo (Mrs L v ICE).
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This child is a US citizen and should not have been in a detention facility.
The other option is to strip the child from the mother. I'm not sure how nor why you consider that a better option for the child, other than just using the child as a strawman because you don't like deportations to begin with.
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Perhaps the mom elects to bring the child with her back to Honduras.
There's no "perhaps," she did. Period.
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But detaining the kid and saying it’s all copacetic because of the equivalent of a jail house confession is wrong.
Her making a choice you don't like doesn't make it "the equivalent of a jail house confession". Just be honest and admit what you're really doing is searching for some weak ground to make some sort of desperate attempt at freezing all deportations so we can stop this silly song and dance where you feign concern for the child's rights.
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Due process is a hurdle that should be cleared when US citizens are being held in custody and deported.
There is no hurdle in this case. For something like this, not even Plyer v Doe would be applied.
Two-year olds lack the cognitive ability to understand immigration proceedings, respond to questions or even provide coherent testimony. There is no right to government-provided counsel in immigration court so the child would likely be appearing pro se.
So now you have a 2yr old who has been taken from their mother, brought into a court alone and asked questions like "do you understand these proceedings." fricking brilliant.
That sort of foolishness is why, for children so young, their due process rights are usually tied into that of their parents.
This is all an example of what you want the law to be versus what it actually is.
Posted on 4/26/25 at 8:59 pm to ned nederlander
Right. The child is free to stay. The illegal is not.
What would you do as a parent? Leave your child behind to prove a point or take care of your child?
Do you people ever look at immigration policies around the world. Ours may be the most lax depending on the party in charge.
What would you do as a parent? Leave your child behind to prove a point or take care of your child?
Do you people ever look at immigration policies around the world. Ours may be the most lax depending on the party in charge.
This post was edited on 4/26/25 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 4/26/25 at 9:01 pm to Bard
Your post will be ignored.
Posted on 4/26/25 at 9:09 pm to roadGator
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What would you do as a parent? Leave your child behind to prove a point or take care of your child?
Leave them with their father that was at the ICE field office or with her sister that is a US citizen
Like I’ve said something is weird about this deportation. The father gets to stay. Why?
This post was edited on 4/26/25 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/27/25 at 12:32 pm to omegaman66
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Why hasn't the false incorrect title been fixed Ned?
What information in the title is false?
Per the judges order:
“In the interest of dispelling our strong suspicion that the Government just deported a U.S. citizen with no meaningful process, it is so ordered, that the matter be set for hearing”
Would you like me to revise the title to “ICE Strongly Suspected of Deporting US Citizen”?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 1:47 pm to ned nederlander
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The slope continues to slip.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 2:08 pm to roadGator
quote:good call
Your post will be ignored.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 2:25 pm to ned nederlander
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There is none. That is the point.
Is the point over your head?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 2:58 pm to Bard
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Families of illegals are routinely kept together at detention facilities. The ACLU even sued to make sure this became the status quo (Mrs L v ICE).
But this isn’t a family of illegals. It is a family of illegals and citizens. The ACLU settlement you reference deals with detention of families at the border and does not involve US citizens.
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The other option is to strip the child from the mother. I'm not sure how nor why you consider that a better option for the child, other than just using the child as a strawman because you don't like deportations to begin with.
I don’t believe I’ve ever said the mother’s custody of the child should be stripped from her, and what I like is government following process particularly when a US citizen is involved.
I believe the current ICE guidelines for such a situation are roughly:
“ICE agents to “remain cognizant of the impact enforcement actions may have” on lawful permanent resident (LPR) or U.S.-citizen children.
According to ICE’s 2017 Detained Parents Directive, when LPR or U.S.-citizen minor children are encountered during immigration enforcement, ICE agents should “generally accommodate” the parent or legal guardian’s efforts to make childcare arrangements before contacting local child welfare or law enforcement to take temporary custody of the children.”
“If parental rights remain intact, parents with a pending deportation may make custody arrangements for their children to stay in the United States. ICE is supposed to “accommodate, to the extent practicable,” a detained parent's efforts to make guardianship or travel arrangements for the child prior to deportation.”
This isn’t a novel situation. Parents of citizens get deported all the time. It is a very complicated situation. The government says we fully accommodated the mom’s wishes. The judge said I’d like to double check to make sure her hand written instruction was her true intent, given without duress and informed of all options for the child.
3 days from detention to deportation does not feel like adequate consideration of the best interests of this child. The outcome may well have been the same. This is not a case about outcome, but about process.
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Two-year olds lack the cognitive ability to understand immigration proceedings, respond to questions or even provide coherent testimony. There is no right to government-provided counsel in immigration court so the child would likely be appearing pro se.
Why would a US citizen ever be in front of an immigration court judge? Again for those in the back, the kid is a US Citizen.
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That sort of foolishness is why, for children so young, their due process rights are usually tied into that of their parents.
Sadly, very minor children often are in front of immigration judges being asked questions with no representation.. it’s horrific.
But this kid is a US citizen. A US citizen’s due process rights aren’t tied to that of their parents. Due process protection does not start at the age of majority.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 2:59 pm to ned nederlander
Great the anchor baby can stay the rest can get the frick out
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:04 pm to ned nederlander
This is the democrat parties fault. Due to their open borders policy we are now in a position to have to deport nearly 30 million people in a very short time span. Of course mistakes will be made. But the Trump administration holds exactly zero responsibility for that. The responsibility lies with democrats and their voters who openly supported drug and sex trafficking across our borders for years.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:06 pm to ned nederlander
Anyone who thinks three US citizens were deported by ICE are dumbfv ks.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:13 pm to ned nederlander
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But this kid is a US citizen. A US citizen’s due process rights aren’t tied to that of their parents. Due process protection does not start at the age of majority.
You're making one of several very compelling arguments to end birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:30 pm to ned nederlander
Need are you saying the U.S. government should raise the child?
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:37 pm to ned nederlander
What information in the title is false?
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That a US citizen was deported.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:48 pm to ned nederlander
You're a cuck bitch.
If they separated the family by keeping the child - despite the fact that the mother wanted to take it with her... you'd complain about that. So go frick yourself.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 3:50 pm to David_DJS
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You're making one of several very compelling arguments to end birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens.
I largely agree with ending birthright citizenship. If I was writing the law I’d reserve citizenship for kids born to at least one US citizen or to parents where both are legal, permanent residents. That’s abundantly sensible in the 21st century.
But that doesn’t appear to be the law when this kid was born so this case involves a US citizen. It also doesn’t matter if this situation exists because of Trump or Biden or Obama.
The kid is a US citizen. A certain amount of due process should occur before a US citizen of any age spends time in a detention facility and is transported abroad by the government.
There is a hearing on this in May. We can all check back to see if this Judge’s strong suspicion that a US citizen was just deported without meaningful due process is confirmed or dispelled.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 2:35 am to ned nederlander
Mother had illegally entered the US THREE times. Not mentioned here but has been in multiple other stories, she is also pregnant. She was removed before she could drop another anchor.
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 4:00 am to ned nederlander
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This one seems fun.
After reading through the thread - Ned you pretty much got Doc Holliday-ed by the board on this one.
Ned - “I was just foolin’ around.”
The board - “I wasn’t.”
Ned, You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you were just too high strung.
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