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re: U.S. businesses sue to block Trump tariffs, say trade deficits are not an emergency
Posted on 4/14/25 at 3:24 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 4/14/25 at 3:24 pm to imjustafatkid
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If you view them as taxes, then you should view them exactly like you view any other federal taxes
Absolutely.
Yet they go even further, into protectionism, and you pay for it.
Congrats, I guess. Youre geetting your money redistributed to support welfare for Big Corp
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Posted on 4/14/25 at 3:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Taxes on your own consumers.
Less choice for your consumers.
More revenue for govt.
You're a Leftist.
Wrong
Posted on 4/14/25 at 3:40 pm to Jjdoc
Most businesses who have become dependent upon cheap CCP manufacturing would side with the CCP over Trump/MAGA. The current rift has been reduced to America First vs Globalism. 
Posted on 4/14/25 at 3:42 pm to TigerFanatic99
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I wasn't aware that the president had to formally declare an emergency before enacting tariffs. I always thought that it was part of the executive branches constitutional powers.
Seriously? Have you never even read the Constitution?
From Article 1, Section 8:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
The word "duty" specifically means "a payment levied on the import, export, manufacture, or sale of goods.
"a 6 per cent duty on imports""
Article 2 covers the executive. There isn't a single word in Article 2 giving the executive branch the power to collect revenue in any way whatsoever. Even if you stretched the meaning of a treaty to somehow include tariffs, treaties must be ratified by a two-thirds vote in the Senate. But that's a moot point. Congress specifically is given the authority to levy duties, or tariffs..not the President.
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 4/14/25 at 3:43 pm to Diego Ricardo
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The problem isn't the drug, it is why the people fall into drug use.
Like when our jobs are shipped overseas and we're left with a bunch of listless underemployed people? That seems to increase drug use. Maybe we can do something to stop that from happening.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:00 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Like when our jobs are shipped overseas and we're left with a bunch of listless underemployed people? That seems to increase drug use. Maybe we can do something to stop that from happening.
Even if the manufacturing came back, they are never going to employ the amount of people necessary to drastically change these deaths of despair by putting these idle hands to work. Lutnick and Navarro have already opened their mouth a bit too much on this angle and said that robots/automation will be doing most of the work when these jobs are hypothetically reshored to keep costs down.
The drug problem in the United States is more essential to how we indoctrinate and propagandize people into what they imagine they are "entitled to" out of life as an American. I don't have a good solution but I can tell you that bringing back manufacturing that will not be hiring droves of low skill people is not the solution. This was always a part of the American project. People adapted, moved to the new areas of opportunity, or they died.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:01 pm to BamaGradinTn
US statutory law distinguishes duties from tariffs, with the latter being in the domain of the executive branch and intended as a tool to regulate foreign trade.
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:07 pm to Jjdoc
Let me guess, Judge Boasberg's business
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:27 pm to Jjdoc
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U.S. businesses sue to block Trump tariffs, say trade deficits are not an emergency
Based. A lot of small businesses would like to sue over this too but just don't have the money and resources to do it. Never thought I'd be cheering on big business but here we are.
Oh, and they're right trade deficits are not a national emergency.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:31 pm to Seldom Seen
Pretty sure the Trump Admin can argue that potential default on the interest on the National debt constitutes a national emergency. Tariffs are one strategy it can use to increase revenue without burdening the American taxpayer.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:36 pm to Seldom Seen
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Oh, and they're right trade deficits are not a national emergency.
Did you oppose Joe Biden when he chose to continue Trump's tariffs and added some of his own?
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:43 pm to wdhalgren
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Did you oppose Joe Biden when he chose to continue Trump's tariffs and added some of his own?
Of course. I was hoping he was going to remove Trump's tariffs like he had promised but unfortunately he didn't.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:47 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Feigning a national emergency to set purely political policy goals that have nothing to do with the supposed emergency is something I'd like to see removed from the presidency's arsenal.
Me too, but that isn't what is happening here. Your side created this emergency. The country not being able to pay its bills is an emergency of epic proportions and that is the cliff we are racing towards.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 4:50 pm to Seldom Seen
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Of course.
Did you post about it here and question Biden's rationale? Or is this more of a Trump thing for you? Either way, I strongly disagree. Our trade deficits, in conjunction with our govt and private debt, are causing damage now and have been for quite a while. Together they are an ongoing and growing threat to our currency and the country. We've yet to feel most of the economic damage that's already done, just like many individuals don't feel really poor until their lenders cut them off. Tariffs wouldn't be the preferred way to start trying to limit the future damage, but it's now apparent that Congress will never act.
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:22 pm to Seldom Seen
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Oh, and they're right trade deficits are not a national emergency.
Nah, the national debt is only $36.7T and the threat of government shutdowns has become almost an annual thing. Just continue to let it ride.
/s
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:26 pm to Jay Quest
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But surely you cannot be this obtuse. The government protecting American workers and American businesses is not mentioned anywhere in the opening paragraph of the Socialist Handbook
Oh yes he can!!! The dude is ate up with TDS!!
He's a lost cause. It's nice of you to try tho!!
This post was edited on 4/14/25 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:27 pm to lake chuck fan
Boys here bots there screw them all!
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:27 pm to captainFid
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It's pretty obvious large public corporations; Wall Street and most government institutions all want Trump to fail. They love the status quo and will almost commit treason to keep his administration from succeeding.
Disagree.......I think they wanted Trump to succeed. This tariff business is upending their ability to run their businesses and they don't have an answer for their shareholder.
Trump's messaging on tariffs isn't good. He Neds to get some skins on the wall regarding a trade deal and quickly.
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:28 pm to Seldom Seen
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Of course. I was hoping he was going to remove Trump's tariffs like he had promised but unfortunately he didn't
Lmao!! The fact you placed ANY hope in ANYTHING Biden would do demonstrates what a complete idiot you are! Thanks for verifying!
Posted on 4/14/25 at 5:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yet they go even further, into protectionism, and you pay for it.
Yes, we all realize you have a toddler's understanding of tariffs. That much has been well established.
I'm glad now we have also established that you view this as no different from any other federal taxes. Can you point us to all of your anti-income tax threads from over the years? Surely those are numerous.
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