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re: Unpopular opinion: Putin has a legitimate gripe

Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:46 pm to
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26752 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:46 pm to
I agree with this.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19226 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:01 pm to
We should have pushed for a trade deal with Russia and closer social ties. Tourism exchanges, visa free travel.

They didn’t want to ally with China.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19226 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:08 pm to
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If Ukraine citizens want to join nato, why the frick should Russia have a say? Ukraine is an independent nation.


Because it undermines American national security.

NATO membership increases the risk of conflict with Russia.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
10295 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:10 pm to
Independent national, not a NATO ally and surely not a democracy or republic . It stopped rivals ability to run opponents
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:18 pm to
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If Ukraine citizens want to join nato, why the frick should Russia have a say? Ukraine is an independent nation.

Your understanding of foreign policy is horrendous
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34141 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:20 pm to
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it's not unreasonable for him to be pretty chuffed about all this.


I would agree with this statement.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34141 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:25 pm to
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If Ukraine citizens want to join nato, why the frick should Russia have a say? Ukraine is an independent nation.


What you state is true, Russia shouldn’t have a say in Ukraine’s internal political mechanisms.

However, if Russia feels threatened by NATO being on their doorstep, then Russia is going to defend their back yard.

If my neighbor started inviting people over to his house, and then they began threatening my family, well, at that point it’s...



Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16416 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:28 pm to
I don’t care what we supported on any order, if the USA had strong leadership Putin wouldn’t be pulling this BS.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 9:37 pm to
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if the USA had strong leadership Putin wouldn’t be pulling this BS.

You right about that. For a person like Putin (and any and all others like him) this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to push the U.S. around like a little bitch. No telling how much damage this old boy will do once it’s all said and done. How many years, decades or worse of gains he will erase. Thanks Biden.

And I’ll just come out and say it - there’s but one dude who straight out of the package can stop it in its tracks and quickly get us going back in the direction of undisputed top dog again: Donald The Iceman Trump
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14185 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 10:04 pm to
Does anyone here believe this is an organic push by the Ukrainian citizens to join Nato? I’d be be shocked if we weren’t in there with our NGOs and State money stirring up shite for years. This has color revolution written all over it.
Posted by azcatiger
somewhere
Member since Mar 2011
4481 posts
Posted on 2/11/22 at 11:06 pm to
frick me. I agree with an Aggy
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8003 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:13 am to
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ussia and China are looking at the long game. Globalism does not favor the continued existence of monolithic peoples/nations, and it's not difficult to see NATO posing a threat to their national stability in all of the ways I mentioned in the previous post if globalism is the end game. China is in the same situation with Taiwan as they have to control the shipping lanes around SEA to have a chance at survival. Neither Russia nor China wants a global market that compromises their national/ethnic sovereignty, and quite frankly, neither do many Americans. However, we are just to damned punch drunk on entertainment to realize the dangers of a NWO where individuals are not entrusted to govern themselves or share a common set of values with others at odds with a global version of ESG. Another thing is that the Ukrainian government paid Biden off handsomely expecting an intervention on its behalf. Russia is not.having.that. shite., and is going to take action now since Biden has such weak numbers. Else, the majority of the US populace might be willing for us to intervene. I can't blame the Russians (or the Chinese for that matter), but I damned sure don't want them attacking my fellow countrymen and brothers in arms put out there to be sacrificial lambs for globalist elites. Can't fricking win.


You dumb motherfrickers.

Russia is about the least ethnically “monolithic” country in Europe and rivals Brazil or Mexico or Colombia in diversity (oh yea, it’s about 2 - 3X more Islamic as a % of its population compared to France or Britain). What does “globalism” have to do with this, you moron?
Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4428 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:21 am to
BS, he takes Ukraine and now he borders NATO nations, which is what he doesn't want. The Ukraine is a buffer, so there's something more to this.

Putin just admitted Russia can’t defeat the alliance, so he will resort to nukes. We have to make it clear to Putin, that we will nuke Russia as well. No one win and the blood is on his hands.
Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4428 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:26 am to
Russia doesn't need to put nukes in Cuba. Pootin has Reminded us time and time again that Russia has hypersonic missiles that can carry nukes.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8567 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:06 am to
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Trump had the right idea and motives. Open up relations with Russia, find common ground and unity and create beneficial trade agreements. What the frick is wrong with that? Nothing, except that kind of idea runs counter to the balance sheets of Raytheon, Lockheed, L3Harris, General Atomics, Huntington-Ingalls and Northrop Grumman. "Can't be having peace, now. That's bad for business."


If we want to play the long game, the best way to neutralize Russia is to have invite them into the NATO club but they can't invade anybody as a condition. Welcome them into the European community and the West.

Hell, we're probably going to need them against China.
Posted by Jimmy Russel
Member since Nov 2021
336 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 5:32 am to
Wow, such sharp language for a really unsupported claim. Russia is about 80% white (Slavic or Germanic), and although the remaining 20% of their population contains a large number of different ethic groups and yes, even Muslims within its borders, those numbers individually are minute. To cite two of the counties you mentioned: Brasil is 47% white, 43.1% multiracial and various others comprising its population while Panama is about 65% Mestizo, 12.3% Native Panamanians, 9.2% black, 6.8% mulattoes, and 6.7% white. China is 91% Han, by the way.

I've explained much of my take on this and am not going to spend time on a subforum of a rival site explaining what's obvious to everyone but you.

Spare us the ad hominem attacks and get educated. Otherwise, sit down, write your Mom and Dad a letter and tell them that you just didn't get enough logic or social skills training growing up.

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You dumb motherfrickers.

Russia is about the least ethnically “monolithic” country in Europe and rivals Brazil or Mexico or Colombia in diversity (oh yea, it’s about 2 - 3X more Islamic as a % of its population compared to France or Britain). What does “globalism” have to do with this, you moron?
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 7:35 am
Posted by NewGrad1212
Russia
Member since May 2012
433 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 5:46 am to
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If Ukraine joins NATO, that is no military threat to Russia at all. NATO does not use its military force to expand and take over other sovereign nations.


If Ukraine joins NATO, what happens with Crimea? Right now the U.S. and other NATO members don't recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea as legit. If Ukraine becomes a member, will NATO recognize Russia's occupation of Crimea as an act of war, and then assist Ukraine in ridding the occupiers?

Crimea is of huge importance to Russia. It seems like it would be in Russia's best interest to not take any chances and prevent Ukraine from becoming a NATO member.
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
Member since Jul 2004
7282 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:48 am to
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If Ukraine citizens want to join nato, why the frick should Russia have a say? Ukraine is an independent nation.


So, if Iran, North Korea, and any other nation want nukes, why should we try to prevent them from building or obtaining them? They're all free countries to make their own decisions, right?

SMDMFH
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:50 am to
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Ag Zwin
Agree completely. Not our fight.
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
Member since Jul 2004
7282 posts
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:56 am to
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NATO does not use its military force to expand and take over other sovereign nations.


You are correct. NATO only bombs the shite out of other sovereign countries, occupies them for a period of time, and then leaves after the party so the rats can come out of the woodwork and take over the place.

We need to stay the hell out of the business of other sovereign nations. Our congress also has to take back their constitutional authority as the sole branch of government who can authorize war. The United States has not fought or conducted a constitutionally legal war since Japan surrendered in 1945.
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