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re: Unpopular opinion: Putin has a legitimate gripe
Posted on 2/11/22 at 2:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 2/11/22 at 2:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Putin tried to join NATO himself and we told him to frick off so let’s not pretend the alliance is open to anyone and everyone
Let the record show that........on this day, Feb 11, 2022, I'm giving a rhetorical high 5 to Draconian Sanctions.
In other news. Hell just froze over. Trump apologized to someone and Hillary admitted she lies a lot.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 2:55 pm to Ag Zwin
Some of you walk around with your heads up your collective asses
Posted on 2/11/22 at 2:59 pm to Alex777
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Don't come crying later when the Chinese and the Russian take over the world
Russia couldn’t take over the world or even come close to it. Even at the height of the USSR their relative power was severely overblown.
And for all the propaganda, China is only marginally more dangerous. They’re like a teenager with a sports car they burn through cash building empty cities and I’m convinced Xi has ADHD considering often he changes his mind on what he wants.
Do you think either of these countries can truly mount a meaningful threat to actual US or or Western European sovereignty or immediate interests that the average citizen would give a damn about?
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Russia couldn’t take over the world or even come close to it.
Yep. Russia's Navy is a fricking joke. NATO could handle it easily--without the United States. China's is better, but they too lack the ability to project anything outside the South China Sea.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Russia couldn’t take over the world or even come close to it.
They won't try nor need to. I don't think you understand how geopolitcs work.
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And for all the propaganda, China is only marginally more dangerous. They’re like a teenager with a sports car they burn through cash building empty cities and I’m convinced Xi has ADHD considering often he changes his mind on what he wants.
Downplaying their threats much ? Really, is that your reason for saying China is no threat ? that XI probably has ADHD ?
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Do you think either of these countries can truly a meaningful threat to actual US or or Western European sovereignty or immediate interests?
Yes. I think so. A great evidence of that is that Russia is literally invading a neighboring country with tides to western Europe and all leaders are chickenshit powerless to stop him.
Also, Putin has fricked the entirety of Europe by rising gas prices. And that was him being mild. And enabled by Biden.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Russia? No. It's an immense nation with less than half our population and nowhere near enough GDP or prospects for GDP for us to worry about.
Do you think either of these countries can truly mount a meaningful threat to actual US or or Western European sovereignty or immediate interests that the average citizen would give a damn about?
China may not be a threat to militarily take over the world, but even run poorly, a nation of more than 1 billion people is an economic power to be reckoned with that can simply buy/influence most of what it wants.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:03 pm to Ag Zwin
Our foreign policy would be infinitely better if we applied the 'do unto others' principal to our decisions.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:07 pm to Alex777
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Downplaying their threats much ?
I would say the threats are overblown, but not saying they don’t exist at all.
Trade routes in the South China Sea is one I’ll grant you but fortunately India, a nuclear power and top 5 military themselves, are on our side on that one.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:07 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Russia couldn’t take over the world or even come close to it. Even at the height of the USSR their relative power was severely overblown.
Agreed, but they’d still be the hardest enemy to inflict force upon since WW2.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:08 pm to Alex777
quote:Good Lord
Also, Putin has fricked the entirety of Europe by rising gas prices. And that was him being mild. And enabled by Biden.
The entirety of Western Europe and for that matter, the US fricked THEMSELVES when it comes to gas prices.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:08 pm to Alex777
He didn't say China was no threat. And he is correct. The military threat from both Russia and China are WAY overblown in the US media.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Do you think either of these countries can truly mount a meaningful threat to actual US or or Western European sovereignty or immediate interests that the average citizen would give a damn about?
I think most definitely, particularly when you add unconventional methods involving economic, infrastructure, cyber, etc. Those areas are probably where they could cause us some very serious problems.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:10 pm to Indefatigable
quote:China's thread to us is not significant.
The military threat from both Russia and China are WAY overblown in the US media.
However, their increasing ability to project power, especially in Africa, is absolutely significant.
They don't ever have to directly confront us to be a pain in the arse.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:10 pm to Ag Zwin
I don’t see what Ukraine has done which would legitimize over 100,000 Soviet troops I’m sorry, Russian troops to be mobilized. What provocative saber rattling has their neighbor done which would warrant such an action? This really does smack of Germany in the 1930s taking proactive steps to invade another country.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:11 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:are we parking nukes in Ukraine?
We lost our shite when the Soviets started to park nukes in Cuba. Took
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:13 pm to ShortyRob
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However, their increasing ability to project power, especially in Africa, is absolutely significant.
They don't ever have to directly confront us to be a pain in the arse.
Beyond "be concerned", what are we supposed to do about that? Bribe the African countries with slightly less defective infrastructure?
The United States does not have some god-given birthright to be the only country allowed to cultivate or project influence in other countries.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:14 pm to davyjones
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particularly when you add unconventional methods involving economic, infrastructure, cyber, etc.
Some of this is beyond what any of us know, though I would say it’s very likely our ability to do the same to them is at least if not more significant.
We hear all the time about foreign cyber activities here involving elections or our power grid or whatever, but rarely if ever about similar activities we’re involved in abroad. Considering how shady the US has been over the years around the world I find it hard to believe we’re missed the boat on those types of covert incursions.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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We hear all the time about foreign cyber activities here involving elections or our power grid or whatever, but rarely if ever about similar activities we’re involved in abroad. Considering how shady the US has been over the years around the world I find it hard to believe we’re missed the boat on those types of covert incursions.
To me, this situation alone indicates that we are probably very very good at it.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:16 pm to Indefatigable
quote:No
Beyond "be concerned", what are we supposed to do about that? Bribe the African countries with slightly less defective infrastructure?
It's pretty much just a fact of life
quote:I was merely addressing the realities of the world. Not whether we should act to stop it
The United States does not have some god-given birthright to be the only country allowed to cultivate or project influence in other countries.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I don’t doubt that we have equal if not superior capabilities, but the question is what damage we could and would suffer on route to ultimate victory. Infrastructure/power grid is the area that concerns me most, if what’s often said about the vulnerable nature of our grid is to be believed. EMP weapons and such.
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