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UN Poverty "expert": capitalism bad, communism good

Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:09 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:09 pm
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NEW YORK (19 October 2018) -  Widespread privatisation of public goods in many societies is systematically eliminating human rights protections and further marginalising those living in poverty, according to a new report. 
Philip Alston, the UN Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, criticised the extent to which the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and even the UN itself have aggressively promoted widespread privatisation of basic services, without regard to the human rights implications or the consequences for the poor. He also criticised human rights groups for not responding strongly enough to the resulting challenges.




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“Privatising the provision of criminal justice, social protection, prisons, education, basic healthcare and other essential public goods cannot be done at the expense of throwing rights protections out of the window,” Alston said


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He noted that while “proponents present privatisation as a technical solution for managing resources and reducing fiscal deficits, it has actually become an ideology of governance that devalues public goods, public spaces, compassion and a range of other values that are essential for a decent society.




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While privatisation’s proponents insist that it saves money, enhances efficiency, and improves services, the real world evidence very often challenges or contradicts these claims,” Alston said



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Privatisation is premised on fundamentally different assumptions from those that underpin respect for human rights, such as dignity and equality, he said. It inevitably prioritises profit, and sidelines considerations such as equality and non-discrimination. Rights-holders are transformed into clients, and those who are poor, needy, or troubled are marginalised or excluded. Human rights criteria are absent from almost all privatisation agreements, which rarely include provisions for sustained monitoring of their impact on service provision and the poor.



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Existing human rights accountability mechanisms are clearly inadequate for dealing with the challenges of large-scale and widespread privatisation,” Alston said. “The human rights community can no longer ignore the consequences of privatisation and needs to radically reconsider its approach.”



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Human rights actors should start by reclaiming the moral high ground and reasserting the central role of concepts such as equality, society, the public interest, and shared responsibilities, while challenging the assumption that privatisation should be the default approach. “The human rights community needs to develop new methods that systematically confront the broader implication of widespread privatisation and ensure that human rights and accountability are at the centre of privatisation efforts,” Alston said.


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There appear to be no limits to what states have privatised, he said. Public institutions and services across the world have been taken over by private companies dedicated to profiting from key parts of criminal justice systems and prisons, dictating educational priorities and approaches, deciding who will receive health interventions and social protection, and choosing what infrastructure will be built, where, and for whom, often with harsh consequences for the most marginalised. “There is a real risk that the waves of privatisation experienced to date will soon be followed by a veritable tsunami,” Alston said.


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Privatisation of social protection often leads to a focus on economic efficiency concerns that aim to minimise time spent per client, close cases earlier, generate fees wherever possible, and cater to those better-off, pushing those with less resources and more complex problems to the margins.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:10 pm to
Capitalism funds their entire existence
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13604 posts
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:26 pm to
All these asswipes who want socialism need to head down to Venezuela and the commies need to go live in China or Cuba.


If you want an oppressive government, YOU CAN EXPERIENCE IT RIGHT NOW!! There’s no use in destroying the greatest economic engine in recorded human history while Cuba and China are the shining examples of what could be.


Oh, and some Harvard douche said it, so it must be true! Harvard is for geniuses only and we’re just not smart enough to understand (I didn’t read it or care/know what Ivy League school this particular douche represents, it’s always the same)

/rant
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
18975 posts
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:27 pm to
Communism was responsible for over 100 million deaths last century. This new push to normalize it is going to lead to a hundred million more deaths if it’s not stamped out and pulled up by its roots.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:29 pm to
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This new push to normalize it is going to lead to a hundred million more deaths if it’s not stamped out and pulled up by its roots.



Can we skip the living under communism part and just get the the deaths? We could just kill the communists.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:30 pm to
This “expert” sounds like a fooking moron that doesn’t actuall know the history of communism or how the UN is presently funded.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:35 pm to
we are so lucky to have these people around to tell us what to think
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:38 pm to
Black is white, light is dark, water is dry...believe me im from the UN
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:39 pm to
It’s imperative that we gtfo of the UN.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53436 posts
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:47 pm to
I understand people want this topic pushed out, but I am just going to say that this is pretty much Biblical.

There will be a one world Gov and it will collapse the economy and be ruled with an iron hand.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:51 pm to
this is the same guy who went to super poor areas of Alabama to tell the world how shitty the US was
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:52 pm to
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While privatisation’s proponents insist that it saves money, enhances efficiency, and improves services, the real world evidence very often challenges or contradicts these claims,” Alston said

LOL.

If, by "very often", he means, literally NEVER..........then yeah.
Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:52 pm to
In countries where Rule of Law is a foreign concept, capitalism is a trickier concept. If that's the point he's trying to make, then he's not wrong.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:54 pm to
you missed the best quote in OP:

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Privatisation is premised on fundamentally different assumptions from those that underpin respect for human rights, such as dignity and equality,


liberty should take a backseat to "respect for human rights"
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:56 pm to
it's hard not to hate these people so willing to cast aside the tenants of liberty to further the goal of equality
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:56 pm to
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often with harsh consequences for the most marginalised.


Another lie

The marginalized were there long before "privatization".
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:58 pm to

Where in this entire article do the words communism or socialism occur.

I think particular aspects need to be investigated. But to assume every alternative approach is akin to Communism is absolutely laughable.

Privatization of prisons is bad. Even if you dont care about potentially wrongly convicted people (which you dont) then here's another idea. The more people who are in prison, the more tax money (your money) goes to fund them. If you read up on "private" prisons you'll find that they still receive a share of money from government.

They don't care about society safety, they care about profit. That's how we get a recycling door of former murderers and dealers back on the streets.

And I have yet to see a Republican decry our SOCIALIST funded education system. The reason why is simple. If you privatized public education you ensure a inescapable class divide.

Private police ensure only the rich get protected.

We need to let businesses be private but allow other societal services to be public.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 8:59 pm to
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liberty should take a backseat to "respect for human rights"



Exactly what was written in the Google manifesto. They prefer safety even if it means they won't be free.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259906 posts
Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:00 pm to
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If you privatized public education you ensure a inescapable class divide.


Fear man! Fear!

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/21/18 at 9:04 pm to
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The reason why is simple. If you privatized public education you ensure a inescapable class divide.

what is the difference in your hypothetical example and actual life?

Just look at this
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