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Posted on 8/2/17 at 8:56 am to SuperSaint
I hate the UAW. They care nothing for the jobs lost through their strong arm tactics.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 9:38 am to upgrayedd
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This isn't 1896. If anything, unions create unsafe working conditions, not safer ones.
^^^^^^ quite possibly the most asinine thing ever written. . Care to post some links showing non Union workers safety vs Union workers safety?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:10 am to rooster108bm
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^^^^^^ quite possibly the most asinine thing ever written. . Care to post some links showing non Union workers safety vs Union workers safety?
I assume that Mercedes here in Tuscaloosa has an excellent safety record. Mercedes provides great pay, benefits and incentives, and the workers dont have to pay into a union.
And the UAW got voted down so many times they finally quit trying to unionize them.
I would also think that OSHA has more to do with safety than a union.
Years ago the BF Goodrich plant here (a union plant) struck and one of the things the reasons they listed for the strike was the toilet paper holders were on the wrong side of the stalls.
I personally liked it when Jack Warner shut down the paper mill here after the workers went union. He told them he would close the plant if they did it and they didnt believe it and unionized anyway. He closed the plant and chained the gates closed. The building sat empty for several years before Nucor Steel bought it. I also think they unofficially black listed all the workers from working in one of Gulf States Papers other plants like the one in Demopolis.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:11 am to SuperSaint
I have a very strong feeling that if they vote to unionize, that decision will not pay off for the average worker 5-10 years down the road.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:13 am to SirWinston
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They are livid about the Foxxcon deal
Why would they be livid over a $10 billion investment into their state that could create up to 13,000 jobs?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:13 am to SuperSaint
Is Mississippi a right to work state? Can a union force workers, who don't want to unionize, to join if the majority of workers vote to bring in the union?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:26 am to Eurocat
quote:Indeed. Inept people love them some collectivism. Below average people benefit. Above average people hurt. Everyone ends up mediocre (at best) as long at the above average continue to produce (they won't).
When will you folks realize that not everyone is a capitalist at heart?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:02 pm to AggieDub14
Funny, isn't that why Trump was elected because people were pissed off seeing the dow jones explode but their wages stayed at 12 dollars an hour?
Maybe the "working man" should check his 401K performance, or that of his company's pension fund, if Trump doesn't want him making money he is going about it the wrong way.
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Haven't heard this one yet. Trump doesn't want the working man making more money. He wants the executives making more money. Those are his buddies.
Maybe the "working man" should check his 401K performance, or that of his company's pension fund, if Trump doesn't want him making money he is going about it the wrong way.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:08 pm to Bourre
Right to work is kind of stupid. People already vote to be union or non-union. Right to work gives them a second bite at the apple on that issue and essentially free-ride off of the contract and grievance process once the union has already won the vote. Plus, workers already have rights to opt-out of paying non-core dues, even without right to work.
I do understand the argument for right to work in something like construction trades where you can have a union without a vote. And for public sector unions, I DGAF.
I do understand the argument for right to work in something like construction trades where you can have a union without a vote. And for public sector unions, I DGAF.
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:13 pm to AggieDub14
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He wants the executives making more money. Those are his buddies.
Tell me, how many executives have come out in support of trump? How much of big business donations went to his campaign? Almost all of the elites in D.C., Hollywood, and big business are against trump. They are not his buddies and he is not theirs which is good for the average joe American.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:16 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Right to work is kind of stupid. People already vote to be union or non-union. Right to work gives them a second bite at the apple on that issue and essentially free-ride off of the contract and grievance process once the union has already won the vote. Plus, workers already have rights to opt-out of paying non-core dues, even without right to work.
I do understand the argument for right to work in something like construction trades where you can have a union without a vote. And for public sector unions, I DGAF.
So, if someone does not want to belong to a union and wants to be judged on his own merits, he should be shut out of a job at a given location?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:23 pm to mgross80
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I have worked in a union chemical plant for the past ten years and our biggest fight is on safety issues. We as union operators are the ones pushing for more stringent safety rules.
Not all industries are created equal. Working in a plant that manufactures Methyl-Ethyl-Deathalyne isn't the same as unloading a truck at the docks.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:27 pm to Eurocat
I see where you are coming from. Yes, the whole RTW vs Union standpoint is a whore's game.But it's a whore's game that the unions themselves helped to facilitate especially in the automotive manufacturing industry.
The point on hourly wages though is well founded and most of the pseudo Milton Friedman's and von Mises/Hayek types ( doubt that most of the posters know much about any of the three and can bet they don't know anything about the last two) on here don't know why the hourly wages when adjusted for inflation have stayed stagnant. But the upper management have done incredibly well....you touched on it.
The point on hourly wages though is well founded and most of the pseudo Milton Friedman's and von Mises/Hayek types ( doubt that most of the posters know much about any of the three and can bet they don't know anything about the last two) on here don't know why the hourly wages when adjusted for inflation have stayed stagnant. But the upper management have done incredibly well....you touched on it.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:28 pm to SuperSaint
Unions work for large scale construction projects when you need to hire a pool of skilled workers for a finite period of time at a negotiated rate. At a manufacturing plant that has a consistent workforce size, a union serves to enrich the organizers.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:32 pm to KiwiHead
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The point on hourly wages though is well founded and most of the pseudo Milton Friedman's and von Mises/Hayek types ( doubt that most of the posters know much about any of the three and can bet they don't know anything about the last two) on here
I'm partial to Bastiat and Locke myself, but Hayek is good reading too. You also left out Rothbard. His "Man, Economy, and State" is one hell of a book.
And you'd be very wrong about how well read many of the posters are here. Especially in the libertarian camp.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:33 pm to TheXman
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I have a very strong feeling that if they vote to unionize, that decision will not pay off for the average worker 5-10 years down the road.
As long as Nissan makes one of the more reliable engines in the industry, I am thinking that union or not, the plant in Canton will be just fine. Mississippi is not a closed shop state
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:36 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Right to work is kind of stupid.
Must say I disagree pretty strongly, why in the hell does someone else get to vote about what I spend my pay on.
I think I will find a friend and the two of us will vote ourselves a percentage of your eatnings, are you cool with that since we voted and all?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:37 pm to Centinel
I like Bastiat.....he actually worked for a living. Locke was something of a pompous arse.
Unions are not all bad. They did give us the weekend.
Unions are not all bad. They did give us the weekend.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:39 pm to KiwiHead
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d and most of the pseudo Milton Friedman's and von Mises/Hayek types ( doubt that most of the posters know much about any of the three and can bet they don't know anything about the last two)
go frick yourself
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