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re: Two months ago something happened to Idaho that nobody's talking about enough...

Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:10 pm to
Posted by Veritas
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:10 pm to
They aren't related at all. The only overlap is NPC talking points
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:10 pm to
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So, this session the Idaho legislature decided Boise Democrats and developers know better than your mayor and your planning commission.


Isn't this describing NIMBY-ism, which is making housing more unfordable by making development less possible and more costly?

Allowing smaller lots and putting manufactured homes on SF lots opens up the market by allowing more options for developers and consumers, no?

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SB 1354: says ADUs can now be forced into every community and HOAs are stripped of the ability to block them


Again, allows (not mandates) more housing development



Your schtick of playing dumb and trying to explain away what anyone with a functional ability to think can plainly see,

is getting quite stale.
Posted by Veritas
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:15 pm to
He backed himself into a corner with his pseudo intellectualism. At least he dropped this gem that will be plastered all over the PT for years to come.

quote:

I believe in the free market and capitalism, and reducing governmental manipulation of markets.


The guy is so full of shite. Imagine trying to have a beer and a normal conversation with this guy.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:18 pm to
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Veritas
Ask me the exact question you want an answer to, please.
Posted by Veritas
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:23 pm to
Received my answers, thank you.
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:23 pm to
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Modern nice neighborhoods are often only on 5 foot setbacks, so it's 10 feet max from your neighbor's house.

Yup, people have less kids, don't want to spend weekends landscaping and yard work, irrigation maintenance, etc. For the most part, these lots and house types without HOAs are going to be purchased by first time owners and lower income people. Affordable housing indeed.

Edit......I was wondering how this dry subject based out of Idaho made ot to 4 pages. Now I know why.
This post was edited on 6/26/26 at 9:38 pm
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:24 pm to
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The guy is so full of shite. Imagine trying to have a beer and a normal conversation with this guy.



Imagine being the poor sap who he is representing in court...assuming he actually is a lawyer, which I continue to doubt.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:25 pm to
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Again, allows (not mandates) more housing development

You are either being dense or trolling. This takes away the ability for local communities to control their community. You ask if it is NIMBYism. Yes, do you have a problem with people saying, “I don’t want overcrowding in my neighborhood”?

There is a lot of empty land out there. Go build your own shitty community instead of ruining the ones we have cultivated.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:25 pm to
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He backed himself into a corner

No I didn't

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At least he dropped this gem that will be plastered all over the PT for years to come.

I've been promoting free markets, capitalism, and less government for over 20 years on this board.

Feel free to "plaster" the message all over the board even more.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:28 pm to
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This takes away the ability for local communities to control their community.


The control is limiting housing supply and intentionally using government to prop up housing values.

This problem has become incredibly acute in certain areas. It's not just NYC or SF anymore, either.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:29 pm to
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Ask me the exact question you want an answer to, please.


He wants to shift the framing of the discussion from one about policy to the personal level to try to project the worst externality to evoke an emotional response as a "gotcha".

That's how leftists try to discuss policy.

They want to promote government to save you from the potential negative externalities of a more free society.
This post was edited on 6/26/26 at 9:31 pm
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:29 pm to
It’s worse than just that.

Under Biden they were throwing money at developers who would do apartment deals contingent on including section 8 or low income units.

So now in expensive red districts there are a plethora of Trojan horse developments where they’re sending section 8 types to turn the suburbs purple.

This is even true in deep red FL where the developers sold it to zoning commissions as affordable housing when it’s really partial section 8.

Absolute disaster for any community that allowed it.
Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:35 pm to
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policy to the personal level t


Is it not appropriate to discuss that. How do we not have a conversation about policy and the impact at a personal level?

I asked a simple question and based off your avoidance responses. I received your answer.
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:35 pm to
The west coast has far more developers sitting on their mpc boards than any other area of the country.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:37 pm to
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The control is limiting housing supply and intentionally using government to prop up housing values.

This problem has become incredibly acute in certain areas. It's not just NYC or SF anymore, either.

Go build elsewhere. The state government could use eminent domain to buy land just outside of an incorporated area and build shitty neighborhoods there.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:41 pm to
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The state government could use eminent domain to buy land just outside of an incorporated area and build shitty neighborhoods there.


Trying to use government to fix the problems created by government is leftism
Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:41 pm to
didn't you hear? SFP said this:

quote:

I believe in the free market and capitalism, and reducing governmental manipulation of markets.


Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
11001 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:42 pm to
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Trying to use government to fix the problems created by government is leftism


So you support this legislation?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479493 posts
Posted on 6/26/26 at 9:42 pm to
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How do we not have a conversation about policy and the impact at a personal level?


This is leftist rhetoric in an attempt to appeal to emotion. Then whomever can find the saddest story "wins" and government gets larger to help them.

If you think you will have the saddest story by having what you consider suboptimal housing built next to you, when there are other options like homeless people or people living in slums while working 2-3 jobs, you're sorely mistaken.
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