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re: Trump's effort to lift Judge Boasberg's order gets an appeals court hearing on March 24th

Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:57 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:57 am to
Correct. I think in the rough court transcript the other day Boasberg mentioned this in his own way.

So it is rather desperate to throw a black cloud over President Trump and keep him tied up in courts.

I tried to look up this court and saw there are many others the Trump admin are fighting. One was a few govt employees fighting because they were fired.

I wonder if the shadow govt of dems and Rs have an operational code name? Operation DISRUPT OMB 10.0
Posted by Jax Teller
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:19 am to
SFP's beeper went off. Incoming...



Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:31 am to
And that's why we can't depend on the SC to do all the heavy lifting. From inception all the way through, Trump and team must anticipate and get ahead of these rogue judges. And the elected lawmakers need to get off their arse and start getting bills passed to address some of this.

Just like today, when he announces his EO, you already know that there will a district judge with pen in hand ready to sign whatever is put in front of him. Obviously I am not a lawyer(thank God). But there has to be some counter to this. Besides just waiting/hoping on a higher court ruling.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:32 am to
I think there are two issues at play here; one, there are clear differences in the statutory interpretations of this act by WH legal Counsel with the DOJ, and this judge. And maybe that's OK. Flesh it out quickly and lets get on with whatever we can get on with. I think this is what Roberts was trying to get at with his comments.
The other issue, which I don't think we talk about enough, is the clear politically motivated obstruction. Consider Leavitt's comments about 67% of legal obstruction this century has been aimed at Trump and 90% of those judges are democrats. Those are numbers that statistically transcend coincidence. The contrast must be drawn between democrat talking points such as railing against unelected DOGE merely seeing treasury data, and an unelected political appointee in the judiciary engaging in lawfare with almost zero boundaries against the will and duty of the commander in chief.

Its the bigger problem, and its getting masked by this legalese bickering.
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:43 am to
I think the media on both sides are whipping these issues into something so much bigger than they have to be. And politics fan the flames.

Is anybody really opposed to legitimate checks and balances by the judiciary on the executive branch? I hope not.

POTUS is trying to leverage the Alien Enemies Act in a way that's never been done. There is a legit question whether that's legal, and the Judicial branch is where that should be answered.

Setting aside whether you think AEA gives the President this authority, why did the detainees need to be shipped to El Salvador so quickly rather than sitting in a US jail? OTOH, if they are still allowed to challenge their deportation, does it matter where they are held?

The judge received a habeas petition from some of the detainees when it was leaked they were being shipped out, and he ordered a 14 day stay on their deportation to maintain status quo while he tries to sort through the AEA issues. I don't think that's unreasonable, although one could argue it's not necessary provided the defendants are still afforded a hearing and some semblance of due process.

And somehow people are conflating this with the national injunction issue. Maybe I'm missing something in the Judge's 14 day TRO.

Now this has boiled down to a fight over a District Judge's ability to enforce a TRO against the Executive branch. That's an unnecessary fight, and a distraction from the legit legal issues in the case.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:44 am to
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Posted by Chrome
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 11:55 am to
If what she says is true, that the Alien Act is NOT up for judicial review (totally up to the president), then how can Judge Boasberg file contempt charges against anyone in the Trump administration?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:01 pm to
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If what she says is true, that the Alien Act is NOT up for judicial review (totally up to the president), then how can Judge Boasberg file contempt charges against anyone in the Trump administration?

The argument is that the order is still the order until reviewed. When the order is reviewed and if it's ruled by the supervising/appellate court to be invalid, only then does it lose legal weight.

Just as the Biden admin could have been held in contempt had they enforced the vaccine mandate while it was enjoined pending final review, or if they had continue to forgive student loans via the CARES act, etc.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:11 pm to
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If what she says is true, that the Alien Act is NOT up for judicial review (totally up to the president), then how can Judge Boasberg file contempt charges against anyone in the Trump administration?


What she said could be true but is most likely false.

SCOTUS has held that a removal order under the AEA is no reviewable.
That is clear.

What is less clear is whether courts can review the "construction and validity" of the Act. SCOTUS reasoned, though did not hold:
quote:

resort to the courts may be had only to challenge the construction and validity of the statute and to question the existence of the "declared war," as has been done in this case.


Still, it is clear as day that this Judge is not interested in all of this - he is singularly interested in playing "gotcha" and trying his best to find some reason to hold the government in contempt.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:16 pm to
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Democracy Forward and the ACLU were given the authority --via this leftist crooked Judge Boasberg-- to order a military plane carrying terrorists to turn around

This makes no sense.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:19 pm to
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Still, it is clear as day that this Judge is not interested in all of this - he is singularly interested in playing "gotcha" and trying his best to find some reason to hold the government in contempt.


The government used a delay in the hearing (meant for the government attorney to obtain accurate info about the detainees) to rush them out of the country, possibly violating the judges orders. If I’m the judge I’m getting to the bottom of that.
Posted by jbdawgs03
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:22 pm to
Another alt? Good luck!
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:24 pm to
Just logged off.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:25 pm to
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If I’m the judge I’m getting to the bottom of that.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:26 pm to
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The government used a delay in the hearing (meant for the government attorney to obtain accurate info about the detainees) to rush them out of the country, possibly violating the judges orders. If I’m the judge I’m getting to the bottom of that.


You can get to the bottom of it as the case progresses. The total focus on the matter is indicative of playing politics - not proper adjudication. As the government notes - the class was certified without any briefing. Why? - because the Judge wants to stop the Administration and punish them.
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:28 pm to
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Is anybody really opposed to legitimate checks and balances by the judiciary on the executive branch? I hope not.


I'm sure some may take this position, but it's moot to this proceeding. The DOJ admits the court may act via habeas for any specific set of detainees. The detainees on the El Salvador flight waived this course of action. The legal firms bringing forth the action made it about the AEA.

The procedural ramifications to this choice are huge. First, they wouldn't have jurisdiction in the DC Circuit. Thus, this type of attack allows for judge shopping. Second, the habeas petition wouldn't give rise to an order affecting the entire nation.

Indeed, it would likely lead to a jurisdiction split allowing the matter to proceed through the appellate pathway with a possibility of reaching the USSC.

The means and method of attempting this relief is the one that mars the spirit of our system.

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Setting aside whether you think AEA gives the President this authority, why did the detainees need to be shipped to El Salvador so quickly rather than sitting in a US jail? OTOH, if they are still allowed to challenge their deportation, does it matter where they are held?


It wasn't hastily from the POV of the Executive Branch. Instead, it was one part of a multi-part state effort to negotiate with foreign governments. Kozak Declaration

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nd somehow people are conflating this with the national injunction issue. Maybe I'm missing something in the Judge's 14 day TRO.


Styling it as a TRO could procedurally impact whether the order is even subject to appeal. Reply in Suport (sic) of the Emergency Motion to Stay Appeal

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And somehow people are conflating this with the national injunction issue. Maybe I'm missing something in the Judge's 14 day TRO.


There may be multiple different complaints that you are commingling. Some are concerned about the judiciary interfering in executive actions. For those, the procedural distinctions made above are relatively moot. Also, as noted, there is an affidavit of actual harm from the order.
Others are more concerned about the overall process of bastardizing procedural rules so there is a net effect of any district court judge the ability to set nationwide policy.

I'm certain there would have been people that would be upset if a habeas petition was granted in the jurisdiction where the detainees were held. Nevertheless, such a ruling would not corrupt the current system by enlarging both a district court's power and jurisdiction beyond the district that it resides in. Allowing the DC Circuit to opine about actions and issue orders based on any executive action would seem to expand the power of a given circuit far more than necessary.

Posted by SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:28 pm to
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SCOTUS has already ruled that the act Trump enacted is not up for Judicial review.



No they have ruled that when operating properly under the act, the Oresident’s removal orders are not up for Judicial review.

Courts can review whether the president is acting within the confines of the statute. Not only do they say that, but the review whether the statue was applicable to the plaintiff in that case. (they ruled it was)


The Reason Trump wants this to apply is because because then he can deport any venezeulan he wants without any procedural hurdles.

He can still deport criminals, but they would get an oppertunity to challenge that they aren’t criminals but legitimate asylum seakers.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:35 pm to


and Decatur. just sign in as yourself and post that court document where Judge Boasberg said, SCOTUS has made this crystal clear. I presume this is his reference to Roberts having his people leak his statement to the MSM the other day.

Also, is it true that the DOBBS leak was from Roberts team?
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 12:39 pm to
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and Decatur. just sign in as yourself


Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 3/20/25 at 1:15 pm to
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. I don't think that's unreasonable


Perhaps. The issue is, this judge not only has deep personal conflicts on multiple levels, but is part and parcel of a broad and clear left wing lawfare agenda. One that has struck every meaningful Trump initiative along clear party lines. A pattern that has long since galloped beyond coincidence.

That’s an issue that must be addressed, or the office of the president and the authority vested in it becomes all but meaningless.
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