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re: Trump voters: do you think Russia impacted the election outcome
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:05 am to DEG
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:05 am to DEG
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not blaming “the US”
What does this even mean?
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stop appeasing him with meetings.
= so NOT this and STOP that.
in other words do NOTHING.
gotcha.
I wish I had that kind of mental horsepower. I'd have never come up with such a powerful suggestion of 'what to DO.' in response to something the DEMCORATs allege might have happened to HRC to thwart her from HER TURN.
But i admit - you are correct in your forward thinking plan. Do nothing. As if it didn't happen.
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:08 am to DEG
Ok... I’ll play.
Roughly 85-90% of the electorate are firmly in one camp or another. So we’re talking about roughly 10-15% that could potentially be swung and then the rest of the variable is turnout.
Now, I’m sure there were a few people who either chose to vote for Trump over Hillary or not turn out because of the released DNC/Podesta emails. There was also probably a minute fraction of a percent that responded to the social media stuff.
Overwhelmingly, however, it’s been shown that Hillary’s turnout in key places was way down vs Obama. Minority blocks in Philly, Milwaukee and Detroit just simply did not come out and vote for Hillary. Conversely, Trump’s message resonated with blue collar workers in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
Hillary had no platform. She’s clearly a complete phony. She seemed weak physically. She didn’t campaign much, so much as she did fund raisers with elites and Hollywood types. Her own state campaign offices were begging her to visit the Midwest. She just didn’t do it. The DNC’s platform to this date offers absolutely nothing to straight white people. Nothing to blue collar workers of any race.
So did Russia’s meddling affect the election? Maybe a small percentage of votes.. we simply don’t know for sure that not a single vote was different
Did Russia’s meddling change the outcome of the election? 100% No.
Roughly 85-90% of the electorate are firmly in one camp or another. So we’re talking about roughly 10-15% that could potentially be swung and then the rest of the variable is turnout.
Now, I’m sure there were a few people who either chose to vote for Trump over Hillary or not turn out because of the released DNC/Podesta emails. There was also probably a minute fraction of a percent that responded to the social media stuff.
Overwhelmingly, however, it’s been shown that Hillary’s turnout in key places was way down vs Obama. Minority blocks in Philly, Milwaukee and Detroit just simply did not come out and vote for Hillary. Conversely, Trump’s message resonated with blue collar workers in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
Hillary had no platform. She’s clearly a complete phony. She seemed weak physically. She didn’t campaign much, so much as she did fund raisers with elites and Hollywood types. Her own state campaign offices were begging her to visit the Midwest. She just didn’t do it. The DNC’s platform to this date offers absolutely nothing to straight white people. Nothing to blue collar workers of any race.
So did Russia’s meddling affect the election? Maybe a small percentage of votes.. we simply don’t know for sure that not a single vote was different
Did Russia’s meddling change the outcome of the election? 100% No.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:11 am to DEG
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Should we hold Russia accountable for their involvement?
I think it may have, but the extent... I have no idea.
The hack exposed that The Powers That Be within the DNC were doing their best to rig the Democrat primary for Clinton. Donna Brazile's book went a step beyond by exposing that (what may well be considered money laundering) the DNC went into the primary as broke as a joke and was bailed out by the Clintons (in August of 2015) only after signing a deal with them that allowed Hillary's campaign to control much of the money, staffing, etc of the DNC itself.
That exposing of such blatant bias (for which DWS resigned in disgrace as Chair at the very beginning of their convention) caused a massive rift between Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters that never really healed. I personally know of a couple of Sanders supporters that purposely voted for Trump as a means of expressing their outrage at what had happened. I know of many more Sanders supporters who simply didn't vote because of the same issue.
The accountability question, to me, boils down to mainly perspective. If you're a Hillary supporter you consider it a heinous, possibly election-altering action. If you're a Sanders supporter or just not a Hillary supporter in general you could see the hack as more akin to whistle-blowing (although that was likely not the intent, it was the outcome).
Personally I fall in the latter camp. The GOP was hacked as well (though not to the extent the DNC was) and if it had exposed a similar issue with a potential GOP candidate was controlling things behind the scenes before they had even announced (much less throughout the entire election cycle) then I would still feel the same. Wrong is wrong.
At the end of the day though, looking at all we know now of how much control Hillary had and how abysmally the DNC ran during her tenure as the financial shadow master, I think it's nothing than more proof that she would have been a horrible President.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:11 am to DEG
I recall links to DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 being posted on this board.
I am sure they were posted on other message boards as well.
Might that have influenced a few thousand swing state people? I think it may have. But we will never know.
I am sure they were posted on other message boards as well.
Might that have influenced a few thousand swing state people? I think it may have. But we will never know.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:12 am to DEG
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I’d start with not blaming “the US”
Why didn't you ask the question of all voters?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:13 am to DEG
Nope.
The allegations are that the DNC servers were hacked by Russians under orders from the Russian govt. There still is no evidence thats been presented to the public that Wikileaks obtained these emails from Russian agents.
Also there are allegations that Russia used internet trolls to influence the election. They did but both sides were attacked and the number of Russian trolls was dwarfed by the Hillary campaign's ally Correct the Record campaign.
Would Trump have won all the states he won with no emails and no trolls? Absolutely
Should we retaliate against Russia? Nope, that would be incredibly dumb considering the US does more election tampering than any other country
The allegations are that the DNC servers were hacked by Russians under orders from the Russian govt. There still is no evidence thats been presented to the public that Wikileaks obtained these emails from Russian agents.
Also there are allegations that Russia used internet trolls to influence the election. They did but both sides were attacked and the number of Russian trolls was dwarfed by the Hillary campaign's ally Correct the Record campaign.
Would Trump have won all the states he won with no emails and no trolls? Absolutely
Should we retaliate against Russia? Nope, that would be incredibly dumb considering the US does more election tampering than any other country
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:14 am to Rebel
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Hacking the DNC was wrong.
Does the FBI, et al, think that 'russia' was the ONLY actor who hacked into the DNC server?
I think I recall Comey saying that numerous foreign entities could have, and probably did, hack into their server. (Or am I thinking that statement was only applicable to Hillary's server?)
Is the FBI taking Crowdstike's word that nobody else ever succeeding in breaking into their system?
And what specifically did the Russians get from DNC server and how did it allegedly impact the election?
I don't recall a single vote-impacting issue that came from the DNC server = ???evidence of rigging the primary against Bernie? ??
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:14 am to DEG
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do you think Russia impacted the election outcome
Maybe? I went to the voting booth and everything was in Russian. To this day I have no idea who I voted for!
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:16 am to DEG
If they did, it was much, much less than they did in the past on behalf of Democrat candidates.
But, for some strange reason, after almost 100 years of Russian "meddling" in our elections, the Dims and their Komrades in the mainstream media can't even muster up more faux self-righteous indignation.
But, for some strange reason, after almost 100 years of Russian "meddling" in our elections, the Dims and their Komrades in the mainstream media can't even muster up more faux self-righteous indignation.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:18 am to DEG
I've yet to see evidence that the Russians had any impact, one way or the other, on the 2016 election.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:18 am to DEG
no, no
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:20 am to DEG
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Yet we continue to appease the head of the snake. What’s your opinion on that?
And we know that's never happened before.....
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:21 am to thelawnwranglers
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IDS
:racist:
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:24 am to Decatur
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Don’t expect to get any honest answers here.
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Decatur
Honest? Okay Decatur, let's test the premise.
Do you think Russia impacted the election outcome ???
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:24 am to DEG
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Trump voters: do you think Russia impacted the election outcome
Not as much as the actual corruption revealed in the emails by the DNC impacted the election.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:25 am to DEG
Yes, the 100k investment by Russians in Facebook memes convinced me I should vote for Trump.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:25 am to DEG
only if they hacked voting machines.
Trolling on the internet doesn't impact an election.
Trolling on the internet doesn't impact an election.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:25 am to DEG
No. If voters let ads from social media influence their decision making, they don’t need to be voting.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 7:26 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:26 am to Bard
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I think it's nothing than more proof that she would have been a horrible President.
I think this hits the nail on the head.
IT all boils down to this - The DNC was crooked as a dog's leg. HRC was crooked as a barrel of snakes.
The leaks cracked open, just a tiny crack, the curtain behind which the DNC and HRC were operating, allowing the public a fleeting glimpse of the ugly nastiness that embroil all things DEMOCRAT and CLINTON.
The DEMOCRATs are just mad as hell that someone had the temerity to show the TRUTH about them. They have been cheating for so long they view it as a valid campaign strategy. They disregard crime and corruption as just useful tactics.
They are surprised, then angry, that the public became aware of just how crooked they really are.
They are in a place now they never expected to be - exposed as empty frauds with no plan other than legitimizing their fraudulent behavior.
It is the most unbelievable turn of the dice I have ever seen. All they can do now is to try finding someone worse then they are to blame the exposure on. i.e. = "SURE, we are bad, but they are worse for telling you about it!"
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:30 am to ChineseBandit58
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Exactly how??
- WW# 3 ??
- nuke Moscow?
- blockade their ports??
- Invade Crimea ?
- strongly worded letter?
- tell em to "cut it out?"
- please add red reset button to your options!
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