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Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:04 pm to dcbl
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how is that in our national interest?
I guess you haven’t paid attention to any military action we’ve taken in the eastern hemisphere for the past 50 years or so.
Yes, it’s better to be able to fly to a crisis or conflict zone from Europe than from CONUS. Yes, it’s better to have support, medical, logistics, and repair facilities without having to bring anyone and everything back to CONUS.
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I’m not seeing any benefit to staying in, nor any benefit from the UN or WHO - it’s time to get out and just take care of ourselves
Our troops aren’t in Europe to protect Europeans, and they haven’t been there for that reason in 4 decades. We have troops in Europe because that’s where we want them to be.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:04 pm to phaz
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:04 pm to TigerMan327
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How much money does America pay to NATO?
Whatever our portion of the administrative overhead for the staff in Brussels/Naples/etc is.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:06 pm to dcbl
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So, the benefit is dollars not spent Now you - and 1 benefit of staying in
Here’s the thing—we would still have troops there and would still pay to have them there. Because we want them there for our adventures in the ME, Africa, and Western Asia.
We would save no money.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:09 pm to Rebel
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Kaiserslautern isn't a base. It's a city. Many of the troops live in K-town that are stationed at Ramstein, Semback, Landstuhl, Clayburn and Kapon.
No fricking shite. The town name is and was always used colloquially to refer to our presence in the region, which of course you know.
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Ramstein is most definitely a NATO base. In fact it's the home of NATO Air Command.
And it’s STILL not a NATO base. It is German and owned by the federal government of Germany. Does NATO have a large presence there? Duh. But it is not owned by NATO. No one pays “NATO” to upkeep, improve, or use it.
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Germany didn't even have a military until 1955. And even then, they had to take baby steps.
Wut? lol We are not talking about the early 1950’s.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:10 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Why was NATO even formed?
To prevent war in Europe.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:10 pm to Indefatigable
quote:it sure would be better, but we don’t have that - we are blocked from their airspace
it’s better to be able to fly to a crisis or conflict zone from Europe than from CONUS. Yes, it’s better to have support, medical, logistics, and repair facilities without having to bring anyone and everything back to CONUS.
I asked for 1 benefit of staying in NATO and you have failed to provide even 1 - outside of a theoretical benefit that we do not actually have
So - the question remains, name 1 benefit for the US to stay in NATO
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:11 pm to Indefatigable
quote:but why?
Here’s the thing—we would still have troops there and would still pay to have them there.
We should pull them out and quit paying- as of right now, those bases are useless
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:14 pm to dcbl
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it sure would be better, but we don’t have that - we are blocked from their airspace
In this particular instance where we’re fricking around in Iran for no reason without involving the Europeans beforehand? Yes.
Doesn’t change that we’ll still happily keep assets there for an eventuality where we need to use them.
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asked for 1 benefit of staying in NATO and you have failed to provide even 1 - outside of a theoretical benefit that we do not actually have
Easy, no general European wars. Forward deployments. Repair and supply facilities at our disposal. Our newest carrier is in a NATO member dock right now.
quote:basically everything. NATO membership only makes our operations easier and more effective.
the question remains, name 1 benefit for the US to stay in NATO
Leaving accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:15 pm to dcbl
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but why? We should pull them out and quit paying- as of right now, those bases are useless
We
Want
Them
There
Everything we’ve done militarily since the first gulf war relied enormously on support and staging facilities in Europe.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:17 pm to Indefatigable
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And it’s STILL not a NATO base.
where is the US NATO Command stationed?
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The town name is and was always used colloquially to refer to our presence in the region
Vogelweh may be a colloquial term. K-town is just a city.
I"m not sure what we are arguing about. We can leave or scale back on NATO anytime we please. I'm not seeing the value of it. It has outlived its primary function.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:18 pm to Rebel
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where is the US NATO Command stationed?
Brussels.
NATO Air Command is based at Ramstein. So is our Europe-Africa air command.
Still a German base, and no one gives one single cent to “NATO” to run it or operate there.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:19 pm to Rebel
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I'm not seeing the value of it. It has outlived its primary function.
No one cares about its original primary function of protecting against the Soviets. That’s not why it’s in our interest. We don’t need protection from any nation in it.
It’s convenient to have assets and bases there, and we’d do that regardless of whether NATO existed or not.
There is zero point in leaving. It saves us no money.
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:25 pm to Ailsa
So tired of Eric Daugherty. Constantly posted here with his big alert light and his eye catching ALL CAPS. What a joke. Please stop following and posting his regurgitated crap. Thanks.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:26 pm to phaz
About time. If they can't be our ally, then they can piss off. We are NATO anyway.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:29 pm to phaz
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Trump to discuss NATO withdrawal
Great, so this means we can finally stay the frick out of the Middle East and go back to being isolationists?
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:30 pm to Rebel
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is that admin funding? or complete funding? you are looking at an annual administrative cost that goes into the NATO kitty. Spain and the UK take all of that. How much does the equipment cost that is parked over there? The nukes? The satellites?
You’re talking about costs that will remain regardless of NATO.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:42 pm to phaz
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Trump to discuss NATO withdrawal
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Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:45 pm to phaz
NATO charges us rental then tells us we can't use the bases we paid for.
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