re: Trump to discuss NATO withdrawal

do it, its a useless organization

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don't discuss, don't use this to negotiate anything from other NATO members, just GTFO

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Exactly. Just quit and close your bases in Europe.

Technically still in it, but it’s not a drag. Update our capability to defend homeland.

I can understand Trumps anger at some individual countries like Spain and Italy not giving airspace, etc. But no need to take it out on other countries like Poland, Slovakia, Czehia, Latvia, etc. And most of those countries are landlocked, they dont have navies.

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Perhaps our financial participation dries up to zereaux.

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Why would we stop funding our own military? That is, after all, what people refer to as "NATO funding"--the amount that each member spends on its own military.

Trump can talk about leaving NATO all day long, but the US is a signatory charter member and bound by Treaty, of which Congress would have to verify US withdrawal, and that's never going to happen.

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NATO is in far bigger danger than anyone realizes. And the reason has nothing to do with defense budgets.

The real danger is psychological. It’s cultural.

Europeans didn’t just free-ride on American security for 80 years. They built an entire identity around the idea that they evolved past the Americans protecting them.

That identity is now the single biggest obstacle to Western survival. And the darkest irony is: we helped build it.
After World War II, Europe wasn’t just economically shattered. Its culture was in ruins. The cities, the universities, the concert halls, the museums. Rubble.

The Marshall Plan rebuilt the economy. But culture wasn’t a priority. Not at first.
Then the Iron Curtain dropped. And suddenly culture became a weapon.

American diplomats, academics, artists & scholars flooded Western Europe. We funded their universities. Supported their orchestras. Rebuilt their museums. Promoted their intellectual life.
Not because European culture needed saving for its own sake.

Because Eastern Europeans were struggling for Maslow’s mist basic needs.

We needed the view from the other side of that Wall to be intoxicating.

So America built Western Europe into a showcase of self-actualization. Art. Philosophy. Cafe culture. Long vacations. Universities where people studied literature instead of surviving.
We were manufacturing jealousy.

And it worked. The Wall came down.

But here’s what no one accounted for.

When you give a society self-actualization on someone else’s tab long enough, they forget it was a gift. They start believing it was organically theirs.

And when they look at the country that funded it all, a country busy building aircraft carriers and semiconductor fabs and shale fields instead of reaching the Maslow’s pinnacle.

An overweight American in a ball cap who can’t tell Monet from Pissarro. Who eats fast food. Who drives a truck. Who builds strip malls instead of piazzas.

And to a culture trained in aesthetics but stripped of strategic awareness, that American looks uncivilized.

So the arrogance takes root. And once a culture decides another is beneath them, they stop listening.

Americans say wars are sometimes necessary: crude.

Oil is the backbone of prosperity: unsophisticated.

Kids build companies in garages that reshape the planet: crass.

Wall Street finances the global economy: vulgar.

Europe has no world-class technology sector. No military capable of strong defense. No energy independence. No AI capacity.

What Europe has is culture. The culture we paid for at the expense of us reaching Maslow’s pinnacle.

For decades that was fine. We funded the museums, protected the sea lanes, and tolerated the sneering because the arrangement worked.

Then Europeans stopped keeping the contempt private. They started saying it to our faces. In their media. In their parliaments. At every international forum. “Americans are stupid.

Americans are violent. Americans are a threat to democracy.”

We could have moved the Louvre to NY. We could have built a Venice here. We could have stolen your best artists, designers, philosophers and more… like your conquering armies did for centuries.

Instead we funded them. And all we asked for in return was to let us visit.

You don’t have the military to defend your borders. You don’t have the technology to compete. You don’t have the energy to heat your homes without begging dictators.

What you have is an 80-year superiority complex FUNDED BY AMERICANS, protected by American soldiers, and built on the false belief that self-actualization is civilization.

It isn’t. Civilization is the ability to sustain itself. By that measure, Europe isn’t a civilization at all. It’s a dependency with better wine.

That’s not a threat. It’s a weather report.

Build a Navy. Or don’t. But stop lecturing the people who made you “better than us”

Our “crudeness” our “stunted liberal education” our “ugly strip malls” are because we sacrificed our culture to support yours.

You do realize that he can't unilaterally pull out without a 2/3 vote from Congress.

Little Marco saw to that in 2024.

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Trump can talk about leaving NATO all day long, but the US is a signatory charter member and bound by Treaty, of which Congress would have to verify US withdrawal, and that's never going to happen.

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maga won't know or understand this

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Maybe so but he could start doing what the other countries are doing. Not paying their share

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The US isn't going to do this. This idea of the US "paying for NATO" is a misnomer. We don't give any money to any organization called "NATO." The money is monies used in each respective nation's own national defense. And there is zero chance the US stops funding its own self defense.

What they can do, however, should and probably WILL do, is pull our troops out of all European bases. They won't like that at all, because whether they want to admit it or not, having US troops stationed on their soil keeps them safe.

If you don't want to let us use our own damn bases when we need them, there is no need for the US to have those bases at all, which benefit YOU.