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re: Trump: The US is not obligated to help Ukraine, Biden was 'outmaneuvered'
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia decimated it's military and has very little it can devote to Iran.
Russia has been Iran's protector for decades. Attacking Iran previously would mean, at the least, proxy war with Russia and, at worst, nukes. Russia being occupied in Ukraine left Iran completely exposed.
Just stop
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Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:33 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
From the comments. Is this true or partially true?
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The USA stopped donating weapons to Ukraine, about 8 months ago?
The USA is now selling weapons to Europe, who are then giving them to Ukraine.
Is Trump saying he wants to stop being paid?
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:34 am to ReauxlTide222
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What was the Iraq war about?
WMDs and regime change, like this Iran excursion.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:34 am to SDVTiger
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Just stop
Stop posting facts?
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:35 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Ukraine is thousands of miles away, separated by a vast ocean. We don't have to do this…
As opposed to Iran…?
If Ukraine was smart they’d form an alliance with Israel and then we’d be doubling down to support them.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:35 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Trump said he would end Russia - Ukraine war before he took office. Still hasn't resolved it.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Nothing you posted was facts
Russia wouldnt do shite
Just like Chynas not doing shite
Exactly.
Russia wouldnt do shite
Just like Chynas not doing shite
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It’s funny how you know everything about everything.
Exactly.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:36 am to tide06
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If Ukraine was smart they’d form an alliance with Israel
I crafted an amazing conspiracy theory about this last year.
Shocking none of the "just asking question" bros ever could come up with it. It's almost as if they are nothing more than NPCs echoing the work of others and can't think for themselves.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:51 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I’d much rather arm Ukraine because they are willing to actually fight their own war, whereas Israel uses the United States military as an extension of its own forces. Ukraine has managed to largely neuter Russia, while the US has systematically dismantled their allies. Our investments in Ukraine are paying huge dividends. Having a Ukrainian military armed to the teeth that can act as a bulwark against Russian forces, even after a settlement is reached, is good for American security.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:54 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
You're right Mr. President. The Ukraine War was totally avoidable. But the MIC along with other special interest (including the LGBT lobby) wanted this war. You say you disagree with my assessment? What is etched in my mind is that LGBT flag flying over our embassy in Kabul.
I vividly recall at the beginning of hostilities in Ukraine, Zelensky and Russia conducting peace talks. Vlad Putin was willing to keep Ukraine as a buffer zone between NATO and Russia. He did NOT want NATO missiles on Ukraine's eastern border pointed at Russia. Had the crook Joe Biden not sent his pal Boris Johnson to stop those negoiations we would have been spared the spectacle of thousands of Ukranian young men (and women) slaughtered in a preventable war.
Everything the democrats touch turns to blood. It truly is the Party of Death.
Trump 2026 - He took a bullet from an assassin sent by Iran.
I vividly recall at the beginning of hostilities in Ukraine, Zelensky and Russia conducting peace talks. Vlad Putin was willing to keep Ukraine as a buffer zone between NATO and Russia. He did NOT want NATO missiles on Ukraine's eastern border pointed at Russia. Had the crook Joe Biden not sent his pal Boris Johnson to stop those negoiations we would have been spared the spectacle of thousands of Ukranian young men (and women) slaughtered in a preventable war.
Everything the democrats touch turns to blood. It truly is the Party of Death.
Trump 2026 - He took a bullet from an assassin sent by Iran.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 8:59 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Trump: The US is not obligated to help Ukraine, Biden was 'outmaneuvered'
Ok, but Trump continues to provide support since day one of being sworn into office again. Glad to hear him saying he wants out, but talk is cheap.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
I don’t think this war has anything to do with wmds
I think it’s about reversing the direction we were headed and to position us to prosper over the next ~15 years.
Voter ID
End people stealing our fricking tax proceeds
Deport illegals
Make it harder for China to dominate over the next 20 or so years, as I think they’re set up pretty nicely
I think this is where I’m at right now.
I think Trump is going for a full reset. I’m hoping he goes so aggressively at this stuff that it’s no longer realistic for Dems to be for some of the shite they’re for. Let a Dem stand up at a debate and say they’re for opening the border now. People ain’t having it.
I think it’s about reversing the direction we were headed and to position us to prosper over the next ~15 years.
Voter ID
End people stealing our fricking tax proceeds
Deport illegals
Make it harder for China to dominate over the next 20 or so years, as I think they’re set up pretty nicely
I think this is where I’m at right now.
I think Trump is going for a full reset. I’m hoping he goes so aggressively at this stuff that it’s no longer realistic for Dems to be for some of the shite they’re for. Let a Dem stand up at a debate and say they’re for opening the border now. People ain’t having it.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Slow woke up today and loved him some Slow
I crafted an amazing conspiracy theory about this last year. Shocking none of the "just asking question" bros ever could come up with it. It's almost as if they are nothing more than NPCs echoing the work of others and can't think for themselves.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:04 am to GeorgePaton
Russia demanded full independence (annexation) of the Donbas + recognition of Crimea. It also wanted a hard low cap on the Ukrainian military with little to no offensive weaponry. No foreign troops and practically no security guarantees. Ukraine didn’t need Boris Johnson to convince them that this was a terrible deal.
You would have a full constituted Russian military beyond the borders of where they are now, launching the war against Ukraine with a neutered version of its military. They would have collapsed. Only the biggest, most gullible retard in the world would believe surrendering to these terms would have ended in peace. They would have set the stage for Ukraine’s complete takeover by Russia.
You would have a full constituted Russian military beyond the borders of where they are now, launching the war against Ukraine with a neutered version of its military. They would have collapsed. Only the biggest, most gullible retard in the world would believe surrendering to these terms would have ended in peace. They would have set the stage for Ukraine’s complete takeover by Russia.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:09 am to ronricks
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Trump said he would end Russia - Ukraine war before he took office. Still hasn't resolved it.
This.
And he’s still supplying weapons to Ukraine through NATO.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:12 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Weapons and money will continue to flow. Trump says this every few weeks and nothing happens.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think Trump particularly likes Russia and a decimated Iran hurts them (and China).
This Iran war is a major embarrassment for Russia.
I have no doubt if the Ukraine situation hadn't fallen on the rabid partisan lines like it did Trump would be much more active in Ukraine, too. Trump has shown he's all about using our military when given the opportunity.
so what's the end game after we stop the iran war. Are China and Russia going be economically decimated? Is everyone going to be somewhat friendly in the ME? What does Iran's govt look like
Do we still play policemen of the seas for all the countries called to help us but refused?
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:34 am to Lsut81
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Trump: The US is not obligated to help Ukraine
Yet he has continued to
Should have cut them off day 1 and told them to get f'd along with Russia.
According to google AI, Trump cut off direct US support to Ukraine in May of last year. Since then any support for Ukraine has been indirect support such as selling weapons to NATO countries who then give them to Ukraine.
Trump is absolutely correct. The only thing that the Budapest Memorandum required the USA to do was raise the issue of Ukraine being invaded at the UNSC which we have done many times.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Ukraine is a large part of why we can attack Iran
You really have no idea of the capability of the US military. None whatsoever, obviously.
Posted on 3/17/26 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia decimated it's military and has very little it can devote to Iran.
Russia has been Iran's protector for decades. Attacking Iran previously would mean, at the least, proxy war with Russia and, at worst, nukes. Russia being occupied in Ukraine left Iran completely exposed.
SFP is finally right about something. Unfortunately most of this board worships Putin and believes that the only reason Russia has not won in Ukraine is because Russia is holding back.
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