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re: Trump Says Ukraine is Losing - But That’s Not the Situation on the Ground

Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:30 am to
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
4086 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:30 am to
whatever happened to those F-16's? wasn't that supposed to be a game changer?
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87826 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:30 am to
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Try this out: if you see the word “say” in the first couple sentence of an article, skip it because it’s horseshite. It’s “but critics say” or “activists say” or “analysts say” or “experts say.”

And it’s not that I reject experts or scientists. It’s just that the article is TRYING to persuade, even though it’s disguised not to. Someone can identify the form of propaganda it is.


Appeal to Authority fallacy.
Posted by RED DAWN REDUX
Member since Aug 2021
197 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:30 am to
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That’s how little the federal government cares about us. They will wring their hands about how they can’t afford a single project in Louisiana, but literally pour money into a conflict half a world away that has nothing to do with us


Amen brother
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21653 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:31 am to
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Ukraine is going to win this war, with or without US support.

We need to decide what side of history we want to be on.


"We"????? Your a complete moron.
Don't include me in your "we". I want nothing to do with anything you think or promote.
Also, I can find "reports" stating the opposite of what you posted.
Who to believe?
See above.... not anything you promote.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 7:34 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74515 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:33 am to
So to rebut Trump and our military assessment you quote a Ukrainian General.

lol
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
14756 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:35 am to
Ukraine has lost large areas of land in this war.
To say thats not the case is Candace owens retarded type shite.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3770 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:35 am to
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Why didn’t they take Kyiv in 3 days like they were originally instructed in 2022?


Because Daddy America stepped in and placed his thumb on the scale - but you know that - and BUT FOR that, Ukraine would have already collapsed.


I personally want the United States to be on the “we stayed the frick out of it” side.




Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
10046 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:36 am to
JFC …
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
10046 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:37 am to
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Ukraine is going to win this war, with or without US support.


You are fricking delusional and need to quit depending on MSNBC for your Ukraine war updates. Holy frick.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 10:17 am
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26361 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:40 am to
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Thats how you reason with dictators.


Are you suggesting Zelensky is not a dictator. Last I checked his term ran out a while back in the past.

The worst thing for the world is for Ukraine to start winning. Because once they start winning that is when Russia will drop a nuke. Ukraine can not win when Russia has nukes.

All the leaders know Ukraine can not win (no nukes by russia required). The goal by Zelensky and France and the muslim country known currently as the UK and Germany etc. is not to win, they continue the war in the hopes of it damaging russia. They don't give a shite how many people die as Ukraine suffers.

They feign caring about Ukraine and they lie and tell you Ukraine can win. They know Ukraine can't. Stop listening to anyone that is saying that Ukraine can win. Because those people are either ignorant or if they are in politics they are lying.

Russia is gone from gaining 8 square km per day to 10 and now it has risen to about 20 over the last half a year and continues to increase.

Take the following comment as a sign that it is getting worse for Ukraine. The mappers a getting more and more out of alignment with each other. A couple of years ago prorussia and pro ukraine mappers were very close in their reporting. That is no longer the case. Why? Propaganda. Ukr mappers will show grey zone for a week after an area has fallen. Grey zones have grown larger on their maps, not acknowledging loses.

Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
6011 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:56 am to
You outdo yourself every day with stupid opinions
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53756 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:26 am to
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Ok. So use the ATCAMs we gave them to strike Red Square.

Thats how you reason with dictators.


Sounds good to me. I'm ready for Thermonuclear War.
Posted by prouddawg
Member since Sep 2024
7755 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:28 am to
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President Trump says Ukraine is losing the war against Russia. That’s not what it looks like to Ukrainian Army Maj. Oleh Hlushko


Who coincidentally would be shot with a 9mm to the back of the head if he said otherwise.

What a sap
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53756 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:28 am to
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Ukraine is going to win this war, with or without US support.


That seems unlikely at this point.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16439 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:44 am to
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Trump Says Ukraine is Losing - But That’s Not the Situation on the Ground


Soooooooooooooo Russian forces have not taken over Ukrainian land by force and are routinely attacking the Capitol of Ukraine? The Russians are not continually destroying Ukrainian infrastructure while there is very little aggression by Ukraine into Russian territory? The Russians do not vastly outnumber the Ukrainian forces and will eventually win the conflict simply by overwhelming numbers?

This is not happening?
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23165 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:01 am to
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If Ukraine can reconstitute their reserves through recruitment, they can outlast the winter




How fricking often has waiting out the winter worked against the Russians?
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
101939 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:08 am to
Shut up cuck
Posted by Out da box
Member since Feb 2018
783 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:10 am to
I believe nothing the neocon, warmongering WSJ says these days….sorry..
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22948 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:11 am to
Trump said Ukraine is losing 7000 men a week. That's 280,000 Ukrainians so far this term.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
50991 posts
Posted on 12/12/25 at 9:24 am to
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RFK
You should know this already. When the USSR put missiles 1140 miles from DC it created a national emergency for the USA.

Today, we allow Ukraine to have missiles within 400+/- miles of Moscow. I think Putin has shown incredible restraint here.

Ukraine's support comes from their welcoming attitude for corruption and their ability to act as a back funnel for 'rerouted' tax payer dollars. Otherwise, this shite hole country would have been told to frick off years ago.
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