re: Trump says Tucker is not MAGA

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I’d like someone to define MAGA in clear policy terms at this point

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Whatever Trump is saying or doing at that instant.

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I’d like someone to define MAGA is clear policy terms at this point

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MAGA is ultimately whatever Trump says it is because it’s a brand Trump himself built.

I think of it as 80% AF, 20% whatever Trump decides that morning.

I support MAGA because I align with him on 90% of his agenda (don’t like the Israel ties, don’t like some of his hires, want more focus domestically on jobs ie H1B etc), but clearly to him and many of his supporters anything short of full and unwavering support for whatever is done even if it isn’t what was agreed to previously makes someone not MAGA

It doesn’t even matter if the concern centers around people trying to derail his platform, you better be all in or the tribe will come for you.

Like when I criticized Bill Barr because he was a Georgetown grad with CIA ties whose dad hired Epstein and had been writing sci-fi porn about abducting children to keep as sex slaves and flying them to other planets I was told I wasn’t MAGA.

So based on his definition I’m probably just AF because you can’t be 99% MAGA.

The anti-Tucker brigade on this board would sacrifice their own children if it benefited Israel.

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That's a slogan, not policy.

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MAGA isn’t a policy that’s what I’m trying to tell you.

MAGA is a political brand built by Trump and it means whatever he decides it means that day.

That’s why he can run on avoiding wars, get involved in wars/attacks and still have support: because it’s only broadly based on policies and moreso built on a personal trust in him as a strong charismatic leader to do what his supporters think is in the General best interest of the country.

I don’t think you can be MAGA if you are 100% committed to specific policies at a granular level because both terms have shown that his policy positions will shift as he sees fit and based on what he thinks he can get during negotiations.

I mean vaguely it’s more jobs for his base, ending open borders, anti globalist, killing DEI and making America strong again, but mostly policy wise it’s Trump improvising towards those ends and his base trusting him to figure it out without going too far into the weeds on it.

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Please explain...you Trump haters can make accusations but when it comes to presenting factual evidence to support those accusations, ya'll go stealth.
Typical demorats!

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War. Spending.

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MAGA isn’t a policy that’s what I’m trying to tell you.

MAGA is a political brand built by Trump and it means whatever he decides it means that day.

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I realize that, we're on the same page. But the guy did ask about policy.

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Explain in detail how preemptively bombing Iran benefits the everyday working man and woman.

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The most important factor that compelled us to bomb Iran when we did, is the fact that they were a threat to our country and our citizens with their nuclear aspirations.
We have lived under the threat of their evilness for decades, while many of our American troops and citizens have been killed by their proxies across the middle east. So, I guess the complete annihilation of that threat is beneficial to the everyday working man and woman, wouldn't you say? We all want to live!
Also, if you look deeper into the results, our number one adversary, China, will not continue to receive cheap oil from Iran and that bond between the two enemies of ours will have been eliminated with a complete makeover of the Iranian government.
The world is safer, our countries will prosper from energy sales and the domino effect will be beneficial to all of us.
I know it's hard for simple-minded demorats to understand, but just trust Trump. He has done more in his short time than the last 3 democrats have done for our country!

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Neither is Trump.

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Trump is MAGA. He is the literal face of MAGA.

The important thing to recognize is that "MAGA" and "America-First" are not the same. I used to confuse and conflate the two entities myself, until Trump’s second term rolled around and the difference became apparent.

I'm cool with a lot of what's happening, and not cool with some of what's happening. But I will acknowledge without hesitation that what we're getting from Trump is hands-down better than ANYTHING we'd have gotten from Harris/Tampon.

Unfortunately, that's the position we're in. Politicians in general are swamp and they have no chance if they're not willing to play both sides. We're stuck with the candidates that blatantly screw us and the ones that screw us a little more slowly with lube and a kiss on the neck. It is what it is.

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No matter what way you look at it, this is a betrayal.

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I guess you could call it that.

I just call it an obvious empty campaign promise.

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This is not what I voted for.

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But it is.

You voted for Trump.

Trump is the ultimate populist.

Populists do not advance an agenda based on policies grounded in principles. They advance an agenda based on personal whims.

So expecting any consistency on policy is frankly stupid on your part. You may get consistency occasionally, but not because Trump feels any obligation to be consistent. It's just coincidence when it happens.

Speaking of which, this is very consistent with Trump's history. He acted aggressively toward Iran in his first term (and bombed Syria—twice).

There's nothing out of character about this and there was no reason for you to believe what he was saying back then. I told y'all that at the time and y'all just downvoted and kept your heads stuck up your rears about it.

What kills y'all in these situations is your refusal to admit to yourself that Trump lies when it suits him, just like any other politician. He my lie less often simply because in situations in which other politicians might be worried about optics he doesn't care, but when he thinks it matters and would be beneficial to do so, he lies like they all do.

Tariffs, for example. He told y'all about five different reasons for his tariffs, some of which directly contradicted other reasons. Tariffs can't replace income tax AND bring manufacturing back to America en mass. It can (logically, at least) do one of those things, but not both of them, because if one of them happens, the other can't.

This was pointed out to y'all and you ignored it.

He also told y'all that foreign exporters paid the tariffs and the effects wouldn't be passed on to consumers (or employees), which should have been obvious lies to spot if you've ever had high school level economics. But y'all denied that too. You've accepted it now that SCOTUS has struck the tariffs down, but y'all denied those two things for a year.

The point being, Trump lies to y'all and/or manipulates y'all on a not-infrequent basis. This isn't some isolated incident.

Y'all can continue to believe everything that comes out of his mouth and then get upset when some of it turns out to be manure if you want to, but I don't recommend it.

I recommend listening to him just like you would any other politician, reading between the lines and taking everything with a grain of salt.

I'm not saying he's worse than anybody else; he's just not better in that regard. He's not Mr. Smith going to Washington. He's not a superhero. He doesn't do what he does for completely selfless reasons like people think here.

He's a populist politician with personality traits that lead to him doing some bold things that likely no one else would do. Sometimes that's a great thing. Sometimes it's not. Either way, I suggest growing up a little with regard to your concept of the man. I think you'll be less upset.