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re: Trump May Be The Most Fiscally Reckless President In American History

Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:44 pm to
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Obama more then doubled the national debt in 8 years that took 200+ the get to in the first place....

Looking at the national debt in absolute numbers, instead of the percentage increase, is imbecilic.

The percentage increase in the national debt was less under Obama than under Bush, and Trump is on course to have a bigger percentage debt increase than either Obama or Bush.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:47 pm to
When we don't like numbers we switch to percentages. When percentages don't work we yell NAZI.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:49 pm to
More liberal propaganda.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28589 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:54 pm to
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Been a bad couple years for you guys and you got six more to go. Sucks to be you


Actually we are all going down together. Trump isn't just messing up the "liberal side" of America. He messing it all up.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74211 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:57 pm to
Dude, a NBC/WSJ poll just came out yesterday saying the percentage of Americans rating their financial situation has very good is the HIGHEST in poll history, higher even than 1998

You can oppose trump, but you are not allowed to make shite up about the state of the nation
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74211 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:00 pm to
Actually dude, looking at it in terms of percentages is misleading

If bush inherited 0 in debt and left with 5 dollars in debt, it would be in percentage terms huge

When it comes to debt, what matters is the cold, hard raw numbers, imo
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122900 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:02 pm to
OP would cry like a queer if Trump proposed draconian spending cuts. This is nothing more than a "gotcha" revolving around an opinion piece
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8025 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:03 pm to


Seriously a hit piece.

Obama and the Democrats passed ObamaCare, of which the entire plan was funded with smoke and mirrors.

They did not even read the goddamn bill before they passed it. How fricking fiscal responsible is that?!

And then take pot shots at Trump? Yea, blow out your arse Forbes.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:05 pm to
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It has been known for YEARS that the deficit was set to begin increasing again in 2016 and 2017

CBO projections from back in 2011 showed this

SS, Medicare, and interest payments on the debt were going to kick into high gear at this time



Thanks Obama.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29741 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:06 pm to
IB Chinaman alter?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:18 pm to
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Actually dude, looking at it in terms of percentages is misleading. If Bush inherited 0 in debt and left with 5 dollars in debt, it would be in percentage terms huge


Nope. That's the same thing as just looking at the raw number daily gain in the S&P. A 500 point gain today is not as significant as it was 10 years ago.

The meaningful number is the percentage gain.

Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:19 pm to
You're dead wrong on that.

I want him to gut entitlement spending, drastically cut military spending (especially through contract reform) simplify the tax code even more so that the IRS can be gutted, have every government agency audited, and have some more mass government layoffs.

I want less government, not more. In my lifetime the dems and repubs have both done the opposite of that.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74211 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:20 pm to
I completely disagree when it comes to debt

Having 1 dollar in debt after having 0 year before is much preferred to having 150 dollars in debt after having 100 year before.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122900 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:22 pm to
I agree. I'm just sort of confused with your past posts considering I've never seen you advocate for those positions.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:23 pm to
I've given up on rational discussion here. I have expressed those positions before and got called a cuck because apparently we dont spend enough on defense.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122900 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:26 pm to
The definition of what government should be doing has become so perverted that I think we are past the point of no return.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10728 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:26 pm to
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First, the bill’s $1.5 trillion revenue loss,


Hard to read an opposing view when the first point is factually inaccurate
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
76521 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:27 pm to
Funny.
Did they mention which branch actually has the power to spend?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139033 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:30 pm to
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celltech1981
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From Forbes:
No.
It is from Stan Collender and comes with this disclaimer: "Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own." In Collender's case that disclaimer is a massive understatement. He is about as economically neutral as Paul Krugman.

Let's define the above noted partisanship a bit more finely.

Stan Collender had the unmitigated audacity to pen this bullshite in 2011:
Obama Gains Credibility as a Deficit Cutter. Keep in mind no POTUS came anywhere remotely close to Obama's deficits . . . That includes Trump in Y2Y comparisons. Collender is a pathetic hack.
Posted by jimdog
columbus, ga
Member since Dec 2012
6636 posts
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:41 pm to
Wake me up when he double the national debt like Obama. Also please alert me when he runs up as much debt as all the previous president combined. Again like the cash burning weakling. Meantime MELT B!
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