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re: Trump: Massie should be voted out of Office
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:45 pm to stuntman
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:45 pm to stuntman
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"cut" or "reduce the rate of spending"?
Calling a reduction in the rate of spending a "cut" is like telling a fat person who gained less weight this year than last year that they are "losing weight".
I think we're underestimating the effect work requirements and other changes will have on Medicaid and SNAP benefits. The reality is we don't really know how much that will save because no ones ever tried to reign these programs in.
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Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:48 pm to stuntman
Did her not vote on a CR under Biden? That's what Trump claimed. Asking for verification if anybody knows.
The later I responded to blamed Trump for signing off on a CR as that is record of his terrible spending decisions (way I read it at least). Just saying Massie supposedly signed off on one as well. So if he did, apparently Massie can compromise right?
The later I responded to blamed Trump for signing off on a CR as that is record of his terrible spending decisions (way I read it at least). Just saying Massie supposedly signed off on one as well. So if he did, apparently Massie can compromise right?
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:48 pm to Pettifogger
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I just think that's the MO. He thinks idealism, faith, etc. are rivals for loyalty to him, and he'll turn both barrels on those people in a way that rarely is forgivable from his followers (even if he later is willing to drop the grudge).
He did it to Massie during the COVID emergency spending bill when Massie said he wouldn’t vote yes. Trump turned his guns on him and they were cool after a while. It’s typically the egomaniac politicians (which most of them are) that hay get their feelings hurt and go on the war path against Trump. Massie usually lets that shite roll off his back and continues to call balls and strikes on Trump.
He’s one of the only true statesmen in congress that is a reflection of what the founders had in mind.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:51 pm to imjustafatkid
If that's put in that is a good thing, but it's just a piss in the ocean compared to what the debt and deficits are.
A step in the right direction for sure, but not anywhere close to enough actual cuts to make any meaningful difference.
In instances like this, Massie is right again; it should just be a single bill being voted on about those programs.
The overall bill will still increase spending right? I'm legit asking because I haven't looked, I've just been paying attention to politics for 30 years now and know what politicians mean when they say "cut".
A step in the right direction for sure, but not anywhere close to enough actual cuts to make any meaningful difference.
In instances like this, Massie is right again; it should just be a single bill being voted on about those programs.
The overall bill will still increase spending right? I'm legit asking because I haven't looked, I've just been paying attention to politics for 30 years now and know what politicians mean when they say "cut".
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:52 pm to John Barron
Just as soon put a collar around Johnson neck and say heel boy. He’s such a wimp
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:52 pm to the808bass
Huh?
I wasntt talking about deficit. Never said it. Never implied it. But thanks for joining the conversation late
So no, not right. You can tell because they got off topic real quick with petty grammatical arguments.
I wasntt talking about deficit. Never said it. Never implied it. But thanks for joining the conversation late
So no, not right. You can tell because they got off topic real quick with petty grammatical arguments.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:54 pm to PaperTiger
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wasntt talking about deficit.
Well, then you’re dumb. Because cutting spending without reducing the deficit isn’t cutting spending.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:57 pm to the808bass
Never implied that. Not once. I
was saying Trump has cut spending before. Not on deficit. Just reduced cost on other things that govt had signed off on.. So for everyone saying he spends spends spends (not Russian of course). There's I a small history of cutting spending. That goes to character.
That was my only point. Trump could be pushing for lower spending, but Congress isn't budging. Could be the opposite. I don't think anybody truly knows.
was saying Trump has cut spending before. Not on deficit. Just reduced cost on other things that govt had signed off on.. So for everyone saying he spends spends spends (not Russian of course). There's I a small history of cutting spending. That goes to character.
That was my only point. Trump could be pushing for lower spending, but Congress isn't budging. Could be the opposite. I don't think anybody truly knows.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:58 pm to PaperTiger
He did not vote for Biden's CR. Trump claims a lot of wild shite...like Massie doesn't understand how government works. Massey understands exactly how it works, which is why he votes the way he does.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 2:59 pm to stuntman
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If that's put in that is a good thing, but it's just a piss in the ocean compared to what the debt and deficits are.
A step in the right direction for sure, but not anywhere close to enough actual cuts to make any meaningful difference.
If you want changes to entitlement programs, this is your shot.
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The overall bill will still increase spending right? I'm legit asking because I haven't looked, I've just been paying attention to politics for 30 years now and know what politicians mean when they say "cut".
In theory, it will increase the deficit, but that is due to tax cuts not spending. Again, I'm not convinced we actually know what the entitlement program changes will do in terms of spending reductions.
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The GOP plan calls for states to impose work requirements on childless adults ages 19 to 64, with certain exemptions. It puts a stop to a longstanding practice of states levying taxes on health providers to pay for their Medicaid programs and to boost their federal match. It would penalize states that pay for Medicaid for those who entered the country without authorization. It also codifies changes proposed by the Trump administration to shorten the Affordable Care Act’s open enrollment period, among many other provisions.
The provisions would result in 10.3 million people losing Medicaid coverage by 2034 and 7.6 million people going uninsured, according to a partial analysis by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).
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Republicans argued the decline in insurance would be mostly among those who entered the U.S. without permission and “able-bodied” adults who should be working. They accused Democrats of misrepresenting the impact to score political points.
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It also repeals numerous programs passed by the Democrats in their 2022 bill that sought to combat climate change and pollution. This includes a $20 billion “green bank” program that provides financing institutions with money to fund climate-friendly projects and a $3 billion block grant program that seeks to reduce pollution in disadvantaged communities.
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Permanent Extension of 2017 Tax Cuts: The bill seeks to make the individual income tax reductions from the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent, preventing a potential 22 percent tax hike for average taxpayers.
New Tax Deductions: Introduces deductions for tips, overtime pay, car loan interest and Social Security benefits for seniors earning under $75,000.
Child Tax Credit Enhancement: Increases the child tax credit to $2,500 through 2028, then reverts to $2,000 thereafter.
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State and Local Tax (SALT) Deduction Cap: Raises the SALT deduction cap from $10,000 to $30,000.
MAGA Savings Accounts: Establishes "Money Accounts for Growth and Investment" with a $1,000 federal contribution for children born between 2024 and 2028, aimed at promoting long-term savings.
Remittance Tax: Imposes a 5 percent tax on remittances sent abroad.
I completely disagree with raising the SALT deduction. I imagine they needed to throw blue state GOP reps a bone.
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Pell Grant Reforms: Increases eligibility requirements for Pell Grants and introduces Workforce Pell Grants targeted at trade school students.
Student Loan Changes: Ends Federal Direct subsidized loans for undergraduate students and eliminates the Department of Education's ability to regulate based on gainful employment.
University Endowment Tax: Increases taxes on endowments of private universities.
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Defense Spending: Allocates an additional $150 billion, with significant investment in unmanned drones, including kamikaze drones, unmanned aircraft systems, drone boats and underwater drones.
Border Security Funding: Provides $70 billion for border security, including $46.5 billion for barriers, $5 billion for Customs and Border Protection (CBP) facility improvements, and $4.1 billion to hire additional Border Patrol and CBP officers.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:01 pm to stuntman
That may be the case. I don't know. I was under the impression that massie signed off on a CR as well. Not the same one as Trump though. I didn't mean that if that is what I implied
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:02 pm to BTROleMisser
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But f uck that TDS contrarian, holier than thou nerd.
You've got to understand that not all on the MAGA train are down with spending like Democrats like you.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:06 pm to ApexTiger
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A lot of us like Massie because he speaks up for what needs to be done
Contrarians attract other Contrarians. 90 % of the MAGA base disagrees with Massie and fellow Contrarians.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:10 pm to PaperTiger
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That may be the case. I don't know. I was under the impression that massie signed off on a CR as well. Not the same one as Trump though. I didn't mean that if that is what I implied
No problem, bud. The good thing about places like this, even though it can be a shitshow at times, is to get some different points of view from time to time that can get us to see things differently, then check them out for ourselves.
It's definitely happened w/ me and I'm appreciative of it.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:11 pm to NIH
It’s ok, my cousin is retarded too.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:15 pm to OchoDedos
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Contrarians attract other Contrarians. 90 % of the MAGA base disagrees with Massie
Would the 90% change their POV if enough pressure was put on Trump to make legit cuts to spending?
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:44 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:47 pm to Ten Bears
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Cool so you think adding $10 trillion to the debt of the next 10 years is awesome.
Does it?
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Dude stop. No "cuts" have been made. AT ALL. The "cuts" have simply been re-appropriated. Or do you honestly think that having a larger deficit this year than last year implies a cut of any kind whatsoever?
Then why are people who want the money going to court? It's because they did not get the money.
Like it or not, this is the budget of the former President and last congress.
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legitimate point. However, please explain why Trump hasn't done A SINGLE MOTHER FRICKIN THING to cut the deficit or curb our debt. NOT ONE THING.
Trump is congress now? Trump has not given his budget yet. Even when he does, it's up to Congress.
Your question should have been "Why has CONGRESS NOT ACTED ON A SINGLE MOTHER FRICKIN THING TO CODIFY WHAT TRUMP'S TEAM HAS DONE!
but hey... continue on in your ignorance.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 3:49 pm to Jjdoc
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Trump has not given his budget yet.
Prediction. Trump won’t submit a budget.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 4:00 pm to PaperTiger
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Did her not vote on a CR under Biden? T
That CR had spending cuts in it. An 8% cut to discretionary if I remember correctly.
That CR did not become law.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 4:02 pm
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