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re: Trump just designated churches
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:09 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:09 pm to Wolfhound45
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Well played Mr President. Well played indeed.
Trump shouldn't have advised them to be shutdown to begin with.
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:09 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I don’t see the issue
That's probably because you are a level headed person, who doesn't want to violate peoples civil rights.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:10 pm to tigerinDC09
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So youre telling me if a church building is deemed unsafe by the fire Marshall or condemned after a fire that it's unconstitutional to block entrance?
Damn, didn't know Kung Flu structurally degraded the integrity of buildings....
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:11 pm to The Maj
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I find it funny how another's faith seems to be a poking hot iron to the side of those without any faith
One of life's great mysteries.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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While you are correct, the problem in this instance is that many states at this point appear to be imposing different standards on churches compared to other areas of public gathering. For instance, in some states movie theatres have been allowed to open but churches are still under state or local lockdown recommendations or orders.
True
But, it really does go beyond that.
The reality is, if challenged, there is no way the Supreme Court is going to hold that emergency powers can go on indefinitely. AT SOME POINT, regulating behavior will have to happen the old fashioned way. Legislation.
In addition, if we are to interpret "safety" as loosely as is being desired here, one could effectively repeal the Bill of Rights forever for "safety" reasons.
That's not how our country works no matter the liberal wet dream of wishing it did.
Hell. I'm an atheist but for frick's sake, there is literally ZERO "Science" that says, "that should close churches"
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:12 pm to The Maj
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I find it funny how another's faith seems to be a poking hot iron to the side of those without any faith... Is it your lack of hope that causes you such pain? Or is it you a jealous of someone else's ability to have faith?
Religious faith is lived out in legislation, at the ballot box, in our classrooms, etc. If someone sees their society being shaped by a worldview they perceive as nonsensical, it is entirely reasonable to be concerned about faith.
40% of voting age Americans actually believe man was created by God with no evolutionary predecessors sometime in the last 10k years. More than that believe in a literal global flood as described in Genesis. Those are demonstrably false faith based beliefs that concern me, because someone capable of believing such things could theoretically be convinced of literally anything AND cast votes that directly effect me based on that lack of empirical judgement.
Christianity is clearly superior to a religion like Islam when it comes to producing societies conducive to optimal human happiness and minimal suffering. That doesn’t mean there aren’t things to rightfully be concerned about. I care about the fact that I live in such a credulous society relative to the information we have available to us. And I say as someone who votes far more conservatively than most non-believers.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:14 pm to ShortyRob
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Hell. I'm an atheist but for frick's sake, there is literally ZERO "Science" that says, "that should close churches"
I agree
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
Would you spread your love and go ridicule a board with mostly Muslims? It’s not fair that we get all your attention. You want to be fair, right?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Those are demonstrably false faith based beliefs that concern me, because someone capable of believing such things could theoretically be convinced of literally anything AND cast votes that directly effect me based on that lack of empirical judgement.
I'm an atheist but very little about real life jibes with your concern.
I mean. I can't explain why otherwise smart people happen to believe this particular thing, but that otherwise smart people DO isn't even in question.
Moreover, your concern feels strained because there are LOTS of things that people "believe" that make me wonder what the frick else they can be led to believe.
I'd say 90% of what liberals think when it comes to economics makes me worry A LOT more than what some dude thinks about the origins of man.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:18 pm to roadGator
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Would you spread your love and go ridicule a board with mostly Muslims? It’s not fair that we get all your attention. You want to be fair, right?
I’m happy to tell any Muslim who asks their book is FOS too
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:19 pm to ShortyRob
We live in a free Country.
Churches are free to decide if they want to open and members are free to decide if they want to go.
Neither the President nor the Governors have anything to say about it.
Churches are free to decide if they want to open and members are free to decide if they want to go.
Neither the President nor the Governors have anything to say about it.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:20 pm to The Maj
quote:You almost made it an entire thread (at least as to my posts) where you didn't make an ignorant, ad hominem response.
And yet not absolute... I get it diddler, you like for someone to bend you over and tell you to like it and you are a big fan of the government...
Some of us like our rights with a little less infringement...
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:21 pm to texridder
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You almost made it an entire thread (at least as to my posts) where you didn't make an ignorant, ad hominem response.
If he went almost an entire thread you were in without insulting you, the dude deserves the fricking Medal of Freedom.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:24 pm to ShortyRob
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I'd say 90% of what liberals think when it comes to economics makes me worry A LOT more than what some dude thinks about the origins of man.
I agree, and my concern with the far left wing of the atheist movement is that they too readily abandon the scientific reasoning they use to denounce religion when it comes to things like economics, transgenderism, etc.
The liberal attitude towards those with gender dysphoria is every bit as unscientific as believing in a literal account of Genesis. We are actively harming these people by going along with it. It is a major point of contention for me.
The reality is most people fail to apply truly objective standards equally across the board. To say “The flood couldn’t have happened for all these reasons” but then to turn around and argue “We’ll get socialism right this time guys, promise” is nothing if not a double standard.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:26 pm to ShortyRob
quote:It's obvious why you would defend your specialty -- making ignorant, ad hominem posts.
If he went almost an entire thread you were in without insulting you, the dude deserves the fricking Medal of Freedom.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:31 pm to ShortyRob
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If he went almost an entire thread you were in without insulting you, the dude deserves the fricking Medal of Freedom.
He is doing the Lord's work!
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:31 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:I've found that while one would think this problem in one field of thinking would permeate by default across all, reality seems in conflict with this.
I agree, and my concern with the far left wing of the atheist movement is that they too readily abandon the scientific reasoning they use to denounce religion when it comes to things like economics, transgenderism, etc.
For example. I have a flaming liberal cousin who, bluntly speaking, is wrong on pretty much everything to do with business or economics. Yet, very well reasoned when discussing nearly anything else.
I know people who I would HIGHLY respect when discussing economics that I wouldn't allow within 10 feet of looking after my child.
I see this in all walks of life. To be sure, there are some people that just tend to be universally stupid. But, in my normal daily life at least, that seems to be the exception.
quote:I kinda think this goes to a problem I discuss regarding educational approaches but, that's a whole other thread. I will say this. I'm stunned by how few people have sort of a mentally regimented approach to evaluating information. I am certainly wrong on things. Everyone is. But, I can state with certainty that if you could see my internal mental questioning when thinking about things, you'd be stunned at how uniform my approach is. This isn't because I'm brilliant. It's because I was taught it. But very few people seem to have been. So, you get very disjoined "well reasoned" and "what the frick" processes from the SAME person.
The reality is most people fail to apply truly objective standards equally across the board
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:32 pm to texridder
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It's obvious why you would defend your specialty -- making ignorant, ad hominem posts.
I love talking to people. I'm having a nice conversation with Roger in this very thread.
There was a time when I attempted the same with you.
He still deserves it, you no longer do.
That's a you problem.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
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40% of voting age Americans actually believe man was created by God with no evolutionary predecessors sometime in the last 10k years. More than that believe in a literal global flood as described in Genesis. Those are demonstrably false faith based beliefs that concern me, because someone capable of believing such things could theoretically be convinced of literally anything AND cast votes that directly effect me based on that lack of empirical judgement.
At some point you’ll have to deal more effectively with your childhood angst about religion.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I agree, and my concern with the far left wing of the atheist movement is that they too readily abandon the scientific reasoning they use to denounce religion when it comes to things like economics, transgenderism, etc.
Well said, there was a big split in the atheist community over "elevator gate" back in 2011 and that was my first experience with the progressivism we see today.
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