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re: TRUMP: “I've always known this is a — this is a real — this is a pandemic."

Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:53 am to
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
12623 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:53 am to
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My man, he is going to get beaten to death with his own words.

Yeah, I doubt it. By who Biden? The media attacks him on anything anyway so they hardly count.

Also, did you compile that list of quotes? If so...man...you really need a life.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 2:58 am to
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It’s very fair to say/think that trump was reckless with his initial rhetoric

But behind the scenes, our public health system was getting ready. Actions were being taken

And now we have to focus on what we are doing NOW

Cuomo and newsome have been praiseworthy of trump.

We are all in this together.



You have me mistaken, I was simply pointing out what I feel is going to happen not what I believe.

The Dems are playing a long game right now, once this settles down every tweet of his will be front page headlines over and over and over.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94811 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 5:36 am to
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No CNN. that was from the Associated Press.....you know, the same people that you follow religiously to name for you national FB champions


You are so mad, bro.
Posted by Little Trump
Florida
Member since Nov 2017
5817 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 5:39 am to
Just be thankful Kenya isn’t in White House now

Be very thankful
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41497 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 5:40 am to
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with this country STILL in a huge supply shortag


Wouldn’t it be nice if things we needed were manufactured here?

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with confusion down to the local levels as to how citizens will get tested and the spread contained


This really shouldn’t be the Fed’s problem, but why hasn’t the CDC had a protocol in place for this kind of shite? I mean, they are the federally funded center for disease control right?

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is Trump trying to make people believe that he knew what was coming well before anyone else knew, AND WE ARE STILL IN THIS PREDICAMENT - was this a smart political move on his part??? Does he really believe he is fooling anyone??


He’s not the one having to delete tweets calling his requests for isolation if China in relations to travel racist
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 6:02 am to
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Wonderful.
Since you're locked in to rote, I'll remove the CNN sarcasm and tweak the post so you can answer.

Donald Trump shut down travel from China at the beginning of February.
Why did he do that?
Donald Trump shut down travel from Europe earlier this month?
Why did he do that?

His critics raised hell about those actions.

So, who was it that did not recognize this as a pandemic?




The HHS already informed Trump that the U.S. was poorly prepared and organized for a pandemic event, in August 2019.

The first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the United States was on January 21st. This was a citizen who returned to the U.S. from Wuhan, China on Jan. 15th. It was only 2 days earlier, on Jan. 13th, that the first known case outside of China was confirmed in Thailand. By February 1st, there were 6 cases confirmed in the U.S.

By Feb. 26th, there were a total of 61 cases within the United States. Today that number is now 35,070 cases and 458 deaths in the U.S. It looked like for a few days, like the new cases and new deaths were starting on an incline, but the new data for Sunday was by far the worst day yet in the U.S. - 9,339 cases and 117 deaths.

So while Trump shutting down travel from China, Europe, and elsewhere was a good thing and actually a logical thing, it hasn't really done much to stem the bad tide, has it??

But why don't you answer this:

If Trump knew from the beginning that this was a pandemic, then why was the production of tests so delayed?

Why was it so slow to kick in after the first batch from the CDC turned up flawed?

Why wasn't there already coordinated plans for private medical corporations who already manufacture this stuff to begin with, to start with the masks, respirators, gloves, shields, syringes, swabs, and other PPE equipment?

Again, the HHS already knew we were poorly stocked with this stuff, and all of it would be needed for the flu season even if there were no COVID-19 pandemic. But Trump says he knew it was coming, well before anyone else did. But then, why didn't he make sure we were waiting and ready for it??

Instead of being pretty much the most capable of countries at being ready, to be so far back in the pack of actually being ready??

South Korea is the best-case example. They are most like the U.S. in being a democratic nation of people. They are a small island country with a border to North Korea, with a much smaller population than what we have.

Their first case was right when our first case was, but they were far, far more prepared to fight the COVID-19 than we were because their leadership was more proactive and took the virus more seriously than we did. Bottom Line.

They came off of a bad response to the MERS outbreak in 2015, while we came off much better response versus the H1N1 flu - 2 weeks after we experienced the Index Case for that virus, we already had an accurate working test, and while the first case was in April 2009, we had a working vaccine by October of that year. Dr. Anthony Fauci cautions it may be well into 2021 before we have an available vaccine for COVID-19....
Posted by Threelot
Abraham's Oasis
Member since Oct 2017
85 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 6:04 am to
Please don't bother these people with facts. I'd just as soon take their money. I'm sure they all think the selling and the dying will be over soon.
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 6:23 am to
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with this country STILL in a huge supply shortag


Wouldn’t it be nice if things we needed were manufactured here?


Yes it would. More jobs are moving oversees under Trump during his first term than it ever did under W. Bush or Obama. Trump made some big promises - he's done pretty much zilch to stop manufacturing from leaving the US, or to create more manufacturing opportunities in the US.

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with confusion down to the local levels as to how citizens will get tested and the spread contained


This really shouldn’t be the Fed’s problem, but why hasn’t the CDC had a protocol in place for this kind of shite? I mean, they are the federally funded center for disease control right?


The CDC, FDA, and FEMA are all under HHS. When it's a national-scale epidemic or crisis, saying it's the State's issue to deal with and not the Federal government, is criminal. It's exactly these kinds of things that there's a reason for federal government to exist at all in the first place. State governments' first priority is to see after their own state citizens.

It's the Feds who are supposed to coordinate between all the states to make sure they work together. That's why it's the CDC who creates the "formula" for the testing kits, and the FDA who monitors the regulations and certification of those test kits.

But they have moved through the red tape with the pace of snails - if the tests are fixed now, why not get the FDA out of the way and let the bigger private sector companies mass-produce them?? Why not pay the companies to mass produce masks, gloves, swabs, etc.?? FEMA has already stated they will compensate the companies and states for the cost of production at a later date, but if Trump knew all of this from the beginning like he (and Trumptards here) are now claiming, why weren't all this stuff done in January and February, instead of March and beyond??

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quote:

is Trump trying to make people believe that he knew what was coming well before anyone else knew, AND WE ARE STILL IN THIS PREDICAMENT - was this a smart political move on his part??? Does he really believe he is fooling anyone??


He’s not the one having to delete tweets calling his requests for isolation if China in relations to travel racist


Trump never deletes his tweets - he never admits when he's wrong, which is 90% of the time. He just doubles down. But who else is having to do this??

This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 6:25 am
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 6:30 am to
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No CNN


CNN actually did bash Trump for shutting down travel from China
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78171 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 6:54 am to
He shut down travel with China while democrats were fussing to keep it open, so he was ahead there. The shortages are not on him. He can't create the tests or equipment himself.
Posted by badlands
Member since Apr 2008
2313 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:20 am to
Trash will trash and the sun will rise.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87646 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:27 am to
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No CNN. that was from the Associated Press.....you know, the same people that you follow religiously to name for you national FB champions


Yeah because this is all just a big game.

Schmuck.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112712 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:28 am to
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It’s very fair to say/think that trump was reckless with his initial rhetoric


bullshite.

He was trying to be positive and reassuring, which is what you want your leader to be during trying times.

You know...FDR and the whole fireside chat thing?

He's gotten more "serious" in the last 7-10 days, but he has still tried to be positive.

Apparently, only by playing dirges and wearing sackcloth would he be setting the proper tone.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 7:41 am
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16544 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:34 am to
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The HHS already informed Trump that the U.S. was poorly prepared and organized for a pandemic event, in August 2019.

So what the hell was Obama doing the last 8 years? He got Obama care so why didn't he prepare us for a pandemic? I thought he was the savior of our healthcare system. I guess not.

Over-regulation, that thing the dems love created an obstacle for N-95 masks to be used in hospitals. Trump got the regulation removed.

Big business, that evil entity that the dems hate, were enlisted by Trump - Hanes retrofitting to create masks; Ford, Tesla and GM creating ventilators.

The Trump team has also removed barriers within the FDA to accelerate testing and phase trials for vaccines.

The US was the first to initiate travel restrictions and Trump was eviscerated for it. Later, nearly every nation followed suit. Looks like we led the way didn't we?

As it stands the US infection rate is one of the lowest in the world which is significant considering the degree of international travel and potential for exposure to our population. Our mortality rate is extremely low in comparison as well.

The response hasn't been perfect and only in utopian liberal fantasy land is it expected to be, but in the end it has been pretty damn good.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125552 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:35 am to
There’s a subset of people who are only using this awful situation as a means for their team to gain power.

Those people are scum.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 7:37 am
Posted by Dooder73
Member since Mar 2020
608 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:37 am to
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The response hasn't been perfect and only in utopian liberal fantasy land is it expected to be, but in the end it has been pretty damn good.


This is probably the best post I've seen.

It doesn't matter who is in charge, some are going to praise and some are going to bitch. You would think adults who claim to be highly educated would understand this simple thing. You can never please everybody.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
7271 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:38 am to
They’re going to run those ads everyday with those sound bites, it’s a pretty easy political play. And if the economy isn’t back by then, what exactly is Trump running on that will sway moderates in swing states???
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35065 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:41 am to
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Trump knows he'd be buried at this point for admitting what he really thinks.

This is mostly bullshite.


With this I agree. But it’s getting very close to the time when he needs to find a way to convey this to the American people.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109736 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:42 am to
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what exactly is Trump running on that will sway moderates in swing states???


He’s not his opponent.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
20701 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:43 am to
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If the U.S. had ample supplies for testing,


Why do we have to keep going over this? There was NO test for this virus. The test had to be developed! Furthermore, it takes time to produce millions of tests kits. That is why Trump turned to companies like ThermoFischer and their labs and bypassed the CDC. So please stop with this idiotic idea that we had tens of millions of test kits just sitting around in warehouses but we took our sweet arse time shipping them
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