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Trump is signaling to the world the unipolar world is over, America is stepping down.

Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:21 am
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
3410 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:21 am
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It's becoming clearer and clearer that we're looking at a seismic shift in the US's relationship with the world, between:

1) The US dismantling its foreign interference apparatuses (like USAID ??)

2) Marco Rubio stating that we're now in a multipolar world with "multi-great powers in different parts of the planet" (LINK and that "the postwar global order is not just obsolete; it is now a weapon being used against us" (LINK

3) The tariffs on supposed "allies" like Mexico, Canada or the EU This is the US effectively saying "our attempt at running the world is over, to each his own, we're now just another great power, not the 'indispensable nation'." It looks "dumb" (as the WSJ just wrote) if you are still mentally in the old paradigm but it's always a mistake to think that what the US (or any country) does is dumb. Hegemony was going to end sooner or later, and now the U.S. is basically choosing to end it on its own terms. It is the post-American world order - brought to you by America itself. Even the tariffs on allies, viewed under this angle, make sense, as it redefines the concept of "allies": they don't want - or maybe rather can't afford - vassals anymore, but rather relationships that evolve based on current interests.

You can either view it as decline - because it does unquestionably look like the end of the American empire - or as avoiding further decline: controlled withdrawal from imperial commitments in order to focus resources on core national interests rather than being forced into an even messier retreat at a later stage.

In any case it is the end of an era and, while the Trump administration looks like chaos to many observers, they're probably much more attuned to the changing realities of the world and their own country's predicament than their predecessors. Acknowledging the existence of a multipolar world and choosing to operate within it rather than trying to maintain an increasingly costly global hegemony couldn't be delayed much further. It looks messy but it is probably better than maintaining the fiction of American primacy until it eventually collapses under its own weight. This is not to say that the U.S. won't continue to wreak havoc on the world, and in fact we might be seeing it become even more aggressive than before. Because when it previously was (badly, and very hypocritically) trying to maintain some semblance of self-proclaimed "rules-based order", it now doesn't even have to pretend it is under any constraint, not even the constraint of playing nice with allies. It's the end of the U.S. empire, but definitely not the end of the U.S. as a major disruptive force in world affairs.

All in all this transformation may mark one of the most significant shifts in international relations since the fall of the Soviet Union. And those most unprepared for it, as is already painfully obvious, are America's vassals caught completely flat-footed by the realization that the patron they've relied on for decades is now treating them as just another set of countries to negotiate with.



This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 10:28 am
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
9806 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:22 am to
You know how an offensive line wins fb games? They impose their will
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35945 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:25 am to
When the giant gets annoyed that the flies are buzzing around his face and swats the fly does not mean the flies are winning.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20307 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:25 am to
Long overdue. Peace through strength.

We are not the world police and if countries would like our military used as their deterrent, fine, they need to pay for it.

This concept is not hard to follow and makes pure economic sense.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18765 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:34 am to
The problem is that the world order he described is one where the US is systemically weakened in favor of globalism.

Minor omission.
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
3410 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:38 am to
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The problem is that the world order he described is one where the US is systemically weakened in favor of globalism. Minor omission.


I think that’s the point in the last paragraph collapse defending a dying empire like the Soviets or regrouping
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18765 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 10:40 am to
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think that’s the point in the last paragraph


I didn’t get that far. I was like this is bullshite.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 2/2/25 at 11:16 am to
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Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:32 pm to


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This post was edited on 2/2/25 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
19814 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:36 pm to
I think it is more simple than that. Trump is putting America first. The US Navy will continue to rule the oceans and keep peace. The US Air Force will continue to rule the sky, but ground forces will only be used in the best interests of these United States.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:38 pm to
Hallelujah!

Foreign policy based only on AMERICAN interests.

No permanent allies. No permanent enemies.
Posted by theballguy
HSV (Dealing only in satire)
Member since Oct 2011
37334 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:39 pm to
Britain did this after WW2. Of course, they were broke and had to.

We can choose to do this in our best interest or we'll have to do it in the future when we're completely broke.

Either way. Why not go out on top?
Posted by AUTiger1978
Member since Jan 2018
1223 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:39 pm to
The U.S., like almost every historical empire, has self-sabotaged its own position in the world. Post Soviet collapse, our country had aligned the chess board for an absolutely dominant run as the benevolent hegemon of the world. Instead, we decided to stick our nose into every corner of the globe and make enemies of anyone who didn’t succumb to the will of our government or corporate interests.

Even still, we likely could have gotten away with it, if our government and corporate interests would not have exported all production abroad. How insanely stupid do you have to be to export production of goods that have a national security component abroad? And, not just abroad, we depend most heavily on the very nation that is our only competitor for global dominance and other nations in their direct sphere of influence. Neocons (who aren’t just Republicans) and anyone who supports international economic libertarianism is 100% to blame for this decline.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
10132 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:46 pm to
My favorite part:

"controlled withdrawal from imperial commitments in order to focus resources on core national interests rather than being forced into an even messier retreat at a later stage."

Increasingly, the "imperial commitments" have been justified by lies masking the self-interests of Globalists at the cost of "core national interests."

The amount of money we wasted delaying the inevitable outcome in Ukraine is a prime example...of course, this is in addition to the untold number of lives lost and lives ruined unnecessarily.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102783 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:48 pm to
We are tired of subsidizing the defense and economies of our allies only for them to shite all over us. We are tired of policing the world on the our dime. We are tired of 3rd world migrants coming here to mooch off the taxpayers. We are tired of drug and human trafficking by criminal organizations.

Our checkbook is closed. We can no longer afford all of this. Several countries economies would collapse without access to the American consumer. That access will now come with a price
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139068 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

Trump is signaling to the world the unipolar world is over, America is stepping down.
Ironically the truth is near diametrically opposite.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
23264 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

if countries would like our military used as their deterrent, fine, they need to pay for it.


Trump has been saying this long before he was ever the President. Obviously, he understands what it takes to make it work. Use of the US military would come at a premium retail price as well.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 1:00 pm to
The cucks in the OT Ukraine thread are wailing and gnashing their teeth at this new doctrine
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
95030 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 1:08 pm to
Am I the only one that had to look up the word “hegemony”?
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