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re: Trump has it right on the economy. Tariff-hating "conservatives" are clueless

Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:46 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:46 am to
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Raising the prices by inefficiently forcing lower level/inefficient manufacturing back home will stop diverting that savings delta to the areas we want/need to invest in. This will devolve our economy and SOL, actually pushing us behind
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5965 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:47 am to
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In a situation (hypothetical or not) where revenue is necessary, taxes are requisite. Lowering corporate taxes has to be balanced with increased revenue elsewhere.



Did Trump do this with his tax cuts??? No.

He made the case that it would increase economic activity therefore increase revenue. Was he right or wrong?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173738 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:50 am to
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He made the case that it would increase economic activity

The economic activity was stock buy backs
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:51 am to
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GenZ and Millennials
I wasn't addressing Millennials. They made their bed in many instances.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41316 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:53 am to
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Job shifting, to better jobs...for those who make good decisions at least


The average chemical plant worker makes more money than the average lawyer in Louisiana
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55642 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:53 am to
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Job shifting, to better jobs...for those who make good decisions at least



Hole sections of this nation totally disagree with you.

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Advancement and improvement of the economy, yes.



Bs. You act as if this nation was not advancing in tech and more until the Libitarians saved us from ourselves.

Totally ignorant of history.

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That's an issue of RE inflation due to government policy (similar to tariffs, in a way) purposefully inflating RE along with choosing a bad outlier economy post-WW2.



Again. Full of shot. You are nothing more than a joke.

My last response to your ignorant arse today.

Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11368 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:53 am to
The dumbest thing about the anti-tariff bros is how they constantly say that tariffs are taxes and we shouldn't want them. Yet, when Trump was passing the BBB, they claimed that we should want the higher taxes because the tax breaks would increase the deficit.

There is no logical consistency in their arguments. We shouldn't want tariffs because they increase taxes, but we also shouldn't want lower income taxes because it increases the deficit.

No matter what Trump does, they have a built-in reason to complain. That's what conservatism really means in the Trump era.

It just proves what the OP says - they are stuck inside the old paradigm. Trump says, "I'm going to make taxes more optional using tariffs and new ways to generate money." But the true conservatives yell, "No! We demand you forcefully take money from us through our income. New revenue streams are unconservative. The government can only make money by stealing directly from the workers."

They complain about many people not paying taxes, but then bitch when Trump moves to a system where all people are treated equally. Tariffs fix some of the problems they complain about, but they refuse to accept anything but the old, failed system.

Conservatives just aren't creative people by nature. So when a guy like Trump comes in with new ideas, they freak out and stick with the familiar, even though they've been complaining about it for years.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41316 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:54 am to
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America is the best manufacturing economy in the world.


Where’s the thread from last year where you stated America doesn’t manufacture anything?
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5124 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:56 am to
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The voters will not accept it.


That is the biggest obstacle. There are plenty of areas, yes even past the DOD, to cut government.

Yes, Democrats, the SSA can have it's budget reduced and still provide service without people receiving less benefits.

DOGE proved this. There is plaenty of FWA that can be cut to make our Federal system more lean.

You cannot tax your way out of a deficit.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:00 am to
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Was he right or wrong?
Depends on where one presumes we were on the Laffer curve under Obama. I think Trump was right. I think GDP growth would have been demonstrative. But CV19 f/u'd with Bidenomics blurred the result.

If you are talking about further lowering taxes, that's a different argument.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98113 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:01 am to
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Where’s the thread from last year where you stated America doesn’t manufacture anything?


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476856 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:23 am to
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Where’s the thread from last year where you stated America doesn’t manufacture anything?


Feel free to link it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476856 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:24 am to
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The average chemical plant worker makes more money than the average lawyer in Louisiana


And? That's quite non-responsive to what I said.

There are plenty of jobs for those who want to work. More argument against inefficient tariffs bringing back manufacturing jobs we don't need
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476856 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:30 am to
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Hole sections of this nation totally disagree with you.

They likely either didn't make good decisions or want inefficient jobs where they're paid more than their value.

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You act as if this nation was not advancing in tech and more until the Libitarians saved us from ourselves.

You are using words that you don't understand.

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Again. Full of shot. You are nothing more than a joke.

Explain to me how what I said was "full of shite", please

Our wage growth is as to be expected. The price of certain goods (specifically RE) has out-paced wages. That's an indictment on the particular good, not the wages.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476856 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:32 am to
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The dumbest thing about the anti-tariff bros is how they constantly say that tariffs are taxes and we shouldn't want them. Yet, when Trump was passing the BBB, they claimed that we should want the higher taxes because the tax breaks would increase the deficit.

Dishonest framing (For some at least).

The problem with the BBB was the bloated spending. Just like the CR Trump is about to agree to.

Nothing intellectually inconsistent with wanting less government, more efficient free markets, and less government spending. Those all work together.

The scary scenario is inefficient tariff-based economic devolution with the current public spending levels. That's suicide.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5965 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:52 am to
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If you are talking about further lowering taxes, that's a different argument.


I am talking about increasing economic activity which tariffs do not do.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6985 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:59 am to
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They likely either didn't make good decisions or want inefficient jobs where they're paid more than their value.



God you are stupid. This can't even be labeled ignorance. Just plain stupid. You have no ability to learn.

They did not make the decision. It was made for them. The environment created was for the wealth of corp owners was 100% led by purchased men in congress.

It was designed to raise up nations that had nothing while lowering our own citizens. It was sold as a way to end wars because who goes to war with a trade partner... yet we have wars.

We existed and grew as a nation in tech with great inventions without what you are promoting. It was never an either or. It was about wealth and power for congress men.

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You are using words that you don't understand.


He's spot on.

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6985 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:59 am to
Federal reserve and HISTORY disagrees with you
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13495 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:00 am to
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Because tariff was fricking lazy and not well thought out


FIFY

"They just didn't do it right...this time, socialism will be different."
—Every idiot on the planet
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 10:02 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:01 am to
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I am talking about increasing economic activity which tariffs do not do.


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U.S. COMPANIES RESHORING / EXPANDING PRODUCTION BACK IN THE U.S.

These are all explicitly documented as bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. or shifting production here from abroad.

GE Appliance Park (GE Appliances)

Walmart

Hubbardton Forge

Zentech

Ford

Newell Brands

American Giant

Jones Plastic & Engineering

Abbott

Apple

Chobani

Cra-Z-Art

Johnson & Johnson

IBM

Merck

Nvidia

Niron Magnetics

Waterlogic

Todd Shelton


Sources for these include the Reshoring Initiative’s company list and case studies, plus recent reporting on specific reshoring moves like Newell moving Sharpie production to Tennessee and American Giant shifting apparel to U.S. plants, as well as CBS coverage of firms expanding domestic production.

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FOREIGN COMPANIES MOVING MANUFACTURING INTO THE U.S. (FDI)

These are foreign-headquartered firms that have announced or begun building/expanding manufacturing facilities in the United States.

TSMC

Samsung

Hyundai Motor Group

Honda Motor

Nissan

Volkswagen / Audi

Stellantis

AstraZeneca

Roche

Sanofi

Novartis

GSK

Novo Nordisk

Cipla

CSL

Air Liquide

Lavazza

Inventec


These are drawn from recent Reuters and CBS reporting on foreign automakers, chipmakers, and pharma companies adding U.S. plants or major manufacturing expansions in direct response to tariffs and supply-chain risk
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