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re: Trump has it right on the economy. Tariff-hating "conservatives" are clueless
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Raising the prices by inefficiently forcing lower level/inefficient manufacturing back home will stop diverting that savings delta to the areas we want/need to invest in. This will devolve our economy and SOL, actually pushing us behind
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:47 am to NC_Tigah
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In a situation (hypothetical or not) where revenue is necessary, taxes are requisite. Lowering corporate taxes has to be balanced with increased revenue elsewhere.
Did Trump do this with his tax cuts??? No.
He made the case that it would increase economic activity therefore increase revenue. Was he right or wrong?
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:50 am to frogtown
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He made the case that it would increase economic activity
The economic activity was stock buy backs
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I wasn't addressing Millennials. They made their bed in many instances.
GenZ and Millennials
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Job shifting, to better jobs...for those who make good decisions at least
The average chemical plant worker makes more money than the average lawyer in Louisiana
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Job shifting, to better jobs...for those who make good decisions at least
Hole sections of this nation totally disagree with you.
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Advancement and improvement of the economy, yes.
Bs. You act as if this nation was not advancing in tech and more until the Libitarians saved us from ourselves.
Totally ignorant of history.
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That's an issue of RE inflation due to government policy (similar to tariffs, in a way) purposefully inflating RE along with choosing a bad outlier economy post-WW2.
Again. Full of shot. You are nothing more than a joke.
My last response to your ignorant arse today.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:53 am to RiverCityTider
The dumbest thing about the anti-tariff bros is how they constantly say that tariffs are taxes and we shouldn't want them. Yet, when Trump was passing the BBB, they claimed that we should want the higher taxes because the tax breaks would increase the deficit.
There is no logical consistency in their arguments. We shouldn't want tariffs because they increase taxes, but we also shouldn't want lower income taxes because it increases the deficit.
No matter what Trump does, they have a built-in reason to complain. That's what conservatism really means in the Trump era.
It just proves what the OP says - they are stuck inside the old paradigm. Trump says, "I'm going to make taxes more optional using tariffs and new ways to generate money." But the true conservatives yell, "No! We demand you forcefully take money from us through our income. New revenue streams are unconservative. The government can only make money by stealing directly from the workers."
They complain about many people not paying taxes, but then bitch when Trump moves to a system where all people are treated equally. Tariffs fix some of the problems they complain about, but they refuse to accept anything but the old, failed system.
Conservatives just aren't creative people by nature. So when a guy like Trump comes in with new ideas, they freak out and stick with the familiar, even though they've been complaining about it for years.
There is no logical consistency in their arguments. We shouldn't want tariffs because they increase taxes, but we also shouldn't want lower income taxes because it increases the deficit.
No matter what Trump does, they have a built-in reason to complain. That's what conservatism really means in the Trump era.
It just proves what the OP says - they are stuck inside the old paradigm. Trump says, "I'm going to make taxes more optional using tariffs and new ways to generate money." But the true conservatives yell, "No! We demand you forcefully take money from us through our income. New revenue streams are unconservative. The government can only make money by stealing directly from the workers."
They complain about many people not paying taxes, but then bitch when Trump moves to a system where all people are treated equally. Tariffs fix some of the problems they complain about, but they refuse to accept anything but the old, failed system.
Conservatives just aren't creative people by nature. So when a guy like Trump comes in with new ideas, they freak out and stick with the familiar, even though they've been complaining about it for years.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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America is the best manufacturing economy in the world.
Where’s the thread from last year where you stated America doesn’t manufacture anything?
Posted on 11/18/25 at 8:56 am to RiverCityTider
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The voters will not accept it.
That is the biggest obstacle. There are plenty of areas, yes even past the DOD, to cut government.
Yes, Democrats, the SSA can have it's budget reduced and still provide service without people receiving less benefits.
DOGE proved this. There is plaenty of FWA that can be cut to make our Federal system more lean.
You cannot tax your way out of a deficit.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:00 am to frogtown
quote:Depends on where one presumes we were on the Laffer curve under Obama. I think Trump was right. I think GDP growth would have been demonstrative. But CV19 f/u'd with Bidenomics blurred the result.
Was he right or wrong?
If you are talking about further lowering taxes, that's a different argument.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:01 am to texag7
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Where’s the thread from last year where you stated America doesn’t manufacture anything?
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:23 am to texag7
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Where’s the thread from last year where you stated America doesn’t manufacture anything?
Feel free to link it
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:24 am to texag7
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The average chemical plant worker makes more money than the average lawyer in Louisiana
And? That's quite non-responsive to what I said.
There are plenty of jobs for those who want to work. More argument against inefficient tariffs bringing back manufacturing jobs we don't need
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:30 am to Jjdoc
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Hole sections of this nation totally disagree with you.
They likely either didn't make good decisions or want inefficient jobs where they're paid more than their value.
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You act as if this nation was not advancing in tech and more until the Libitarians saved us from ourselves.
You are using words that you don't understand.
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Again. Full of shot. You are nothing more than a joke.
Explain to me how what I said was "full of shite", please
Our wage growth is as to be expected. The price of certain goods (specifically RE) has out-paced wages. That's an indictment on the particular good, not the wages.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:32 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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The dumbest thing about the anti-tariff bros is how they constantly say that tariffs are taxes and we shouldn't want them. Yet, when Trump was passing the BBB, they claimed that we should want the higher taxes because the tax breaks would increase the deficit.
Dishonest framing (For some at least).
The problem with the BBB was the bloated spending. Just like the CR Trump is about to agree to.
Nothing intellectually inconsistent with wanting less government, more efficient free markets, and less government spending. Those all work together.
The scary scenario is inefficient tariff-based economic devolution with the current public spending levels. That's suicide.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:52 am to NC_Tigah
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If you are talking about further lowering taxes, that's a different argument.
I am talking about increasing economic activity which tariffs do not do.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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They likely either didn't make good decisions or want inefficient jobs where they're paid more than their value.
God you are stupid. This can't even be labeled ignorance. Just plain stupid. You have no ability to learn.
They did not make the decision. It was made for them. The environment created was for the wealth of corp owners was 100% led by purchased men in congress.
It was designed to raise up nations that had nothing while lowering our own citizens. It was sold as a way to end wars because who goes to war with a trade partner... yet we have wars.
We existed and grew as a nation in tech with great inventions without what you are promoting. It was never an either or. It was about wealth and power for congress men.
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You are using words that you don't understand.
He's spot on.
Posted on 11/18/25 at 9:59 am to frogtown
Federal reserve and HISTORY disagrees with you
Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:00 am to Powerman
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Because tariff was fricking lazy and not well thought out
FIFY
"They just didn't do it right...this time, socialism will be different."—Every idiot on the planet
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 10:02 am
Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:01 am to frogtown
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I am talking about increasing economic activity which tariffs do not do.
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U.S. COMPANIES RESHORING / EXPANDING PRODUCTION BACK IN THE U.S.
These are all explicitly documented as bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. or shifting production here from abroad.
GE Appliance Park (GE Appliances)
Walmart
Hubbardton Forge
Zentech
Ford
Newell Brands
American Giant
Jones Plastic & Engineering
Abbott
Apple
Chobani
Cra-Z-Art
Johnson & Johnson
IBM
Merck
Nvidia
Niron Magnetics
Waterlogic
Todd Shelton
Sources for these include the Reshoring Initiative’s company list and case studies, plus recent reporting on specific reshoring moves like Newell moving Sharpie production to Tennessee and American Giant shifting apparel to U.S. plants, as well as CBS coverage of firms expanding domestic production.
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FOREIGN COMPANIES MOVING MANUFACTURING INTO THE U.S. (FDI)
These are foreign-headquartered firms that have announced or begun building/expanding manufacturing facilities in the United States.
TSMC
Samsung
Hyundai Motor Group
Honda Motor
Nissan
Volkswagen / Audi
Stellantis
AstraZeneca
Roche
Sanofi
Novartis
GSK
Novo Nordisk
Cipla
CSL
Air Liquide
Lavazza
Inventec
These are drawn from recent Reuters and CBS reporting on foreign automakers, chipmakers, and pharma companies adding U.S. plants or major manufacturing expansions in direct response to tariffs and supply-chain risk
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