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roadGator
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
I just downvoted you.


ShortyRob
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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Doesn't everyone has one of those? Look at my post above. Nothing controversial in it at all and still downvoted.
That's when I noticed.

I'm fairly certain I can post "blue is my favorite color" and it's gonna get down voted.

Which, is even funnier because then, even the downvote saying a particular post is bad loses its impact.


ShortyRob
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I just downvoted you.
Back at ya bitch.


roadGator
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Mac
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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they will actually be judged on their own performance.

The horror.


90proofprofessional
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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using models from Amazon

mimicking that frequent object of his twitter rage (but actually just jealousy), bezos



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roadGator
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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The horror.


For some of them, it certainly will be.

Hoki Hoki Hocki, Hi
This post was edited on 2/9 at 8:50 am


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saints5021
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
I worked for NASA for years and can confirm what other posters are saying:

1. The only way for your resume to make it through to get hired is if you copy the entire job posting and put it in your resume. If a Procurement professional is applying for a Contracting officer job and puts that they are a purchasing agent, when the job listing says procurement agent, their resume will not make it through the screening.

2. Because of #1, resumes are convoluted pieces of shite that at no way represent the person's past experience. Hence, you only get applicants that apply for everything at USA jobs.

3. Once hired, you not only have better benefits than everyone, but you immediately get step increases. At NASA, they would hire basically everyone into a 5-7-9 or 9-11-12 step position. This means you start year one as a 5, but end year 3 as a 9, or start as a 9 - end on a 12. These positions basically see a doubling in pay within a few years of being hired. That is like being hired as a secretary and being a major account executive in 3 years.

4. The years where they weren't getting step increases, you automatically increase within that step. So a GS9 has like 10 parts of the pay scale, so you automatically go up one point each review.

5. On top of that, they will get duty pay increases, which are bull shite. Some NASA baws in Mississippi were getting duty increases (added to their hourly rate) simply for working in Mississippi.

6. On top of all that, most CS only think of 1 thing when applying for another job: Step increase. So this leads to people applying for and getting jobs that they have no skillset or training in doing. When a rational person looks at a job, they ask themselves if they can actually do it or will they get fired for incompetence. That never crosses their mind!

7. Because of #6, most of the mid-tier managers in CS are worthless asshats that just got their jobs because of the step increase. I shite you not, I worked with a GS-13 that could barely read!

8. THEY NEVER GET FIRED, DEMOTED, OR MOVED...the worst thing they do to a CS that they don't want is send them on long term TDY, where they are paid the same, work on worthless projects offsite, and rake in Per Diem the whole time they are gone.

If Trump fixes this, he will be the greatest leader in the history of the universe!


ShortyRob
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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1. The only way for your resume to make it through to get hired is if you copy the entire job posting and put it in your resume. If a Procurement professional is applying for a Contracting officer job and puts that they are a purchasing agent, when the job listing says procurement agent, their resume will not make it through the screening.

2. Because of #1, resumes are convoluted pieces of shite that at no way represent the person's past experience. Hence, you only get applicants that apply for everything at USA jobs.


The people who are pros at beating the computer......along with the people who write exactly what their buddy in the department told them to write.

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3. Once hired, you not only have better benefits than everyone, but you immediately get step increases. At NASA, they would hire basically everyone into a 5-7-9 or 9-11-12 step position. This means you start year one as a 5, but end year 3 as a 9, or start as a 9 - end on a 12. These positions basically see a doubling in pay within a few years of being hired. That is like being hired as a secretary and being a major account executive in 3 years
I will give a SLIGHT pass on this merely because they're willfully under hiring people. IE, hiring people whose resumes "say" they could be a GS 12 and they hire them at GS9 with the promise of 12.

Of course, that causes you to get people at the bottom of the barrel of GS12 caliber folks. Because true GS12 caliber people aren't willing to wait 2 years for it.

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7. Because of #6, most of the mid-tier managers in CS are worthless asshats that just got their jobs because of the step increase. I shite you not, I worked with a GS-13 that could barely read!

Yup


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udtiger
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
Like it


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Walkthedawg
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
I deal with the VA alot and that whole organization is full of worthless people.

I'm sure the other departments are the same way. State agencies are much more responsive than federal.


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skrayper
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
Any federal workers on here?
Can any specify if raises for inflation will still be in place?


skrayper
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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Needs to do away with the bonuses as well.


It IS a good first step though.

That said, I'll truly rejoice when we see a reduction in congressional salaries.


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Ace Midnight
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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. Once hired, you not only have better benefits than everyone, but you immediately get step increases. At NASA, they would hire basically everyone into a 5-7-9 or 9-11-12 step position.


You're confusing pay grade with step.

Pay grade is the "5" or "7" or "9" in your first example, roughly corresponding to military rank or grade.

Within each grade (at least in GS, or general schedule positions) there are 10 steps - typically you start at Step 1 upon entry or promotion, unless other factors are used to place you at a higher step.

The step increases occur, generally, after 12, 24 or 36 months (1-2, 2-3, 3-4 are 12 months, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7 are 24 months, and to 8, 9 or 10 is 36 months). ETA: (early) Step increases can be awarded based on merit.

Now, it's understandable that you would conflate the 2 - for example, assuming at least satisfactory performance, if you're hired off the street into a 5-7-9 job, you would typically not get a step increase for 3 years - you would get a grade increase from 5 to 7 after year 1, and 7 to 9 after year 2, and would be GS-9/1 until your 3rd anniversary (and commonly that's when you would become a non-conditional) and you would get your first step increase to GS-9/2.

A grade increase is going to be better than a step virtually every time. Keep in mind, military folks get grade and step increases, too, although military steps are all 2 years.
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PearlyBaker
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
Give them their 2% COL a year and call it a day, no “Public Servant” should recieve more than that.


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ShortyRob
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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Pay grade is the "5" or "7" or "9" in your first example, roughly corresponding to military rank or grade.
He described both.

He just used improper terminology.


mindbreaker
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
A lot of the federal workforce is unionized (which is ridiculous) so it isn't going to be easy to pull this off.

Kudos for him if he does (and I can't stand the man). Federal workers have needed an overhaul for a long time.


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skrayper
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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"blue is my favorite color"


...

Progfilth.

Why do you hate Trump and winning?



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Ace Midnight
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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
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Can any specify if raises for inflation will still be in place?


Would it be presumptuous of me to assume you're against such raises? (What about for the military?)

Pay gets frozen from time to time - for example, there were no adjustments to federal pay from 2011 to 2014, IIRC. 2014 saw a 1% bump, and between 1% and 3% are typical for non-frozen years.


Ace Midnight
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He described both.


He did.

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He just used improper terminology.


He reversed them, in fact. I'm just here to help. I even said I understood how you could conflate them and reiterated the example he used with the correct terminology.


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