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re: Trump getting rid of automatic raises for federal workers
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:29 am to germandawg
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:29 am to germandawg
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Yes we do and make far more money and have far better benefits.
You must work in a different sector of Fed's...i know NMFS hires contractors and they don't get paid shite and have horrible benefits
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:38 am to gaetti15
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You must work in a different sector of Fed's...i know NMFS hires contractors and they don't get paid shite and have horrible benefits
I'd bet compared to their FED counterparts they are doing much better and compared to a true private sector counterpart even better than that.
But everyone knows defense contractors are underpaid....that's why it isn't so difficult to find anyone to bid on defense contracts ..........you can't get more than 3-400 letters of interest to a solicitation......it is horrible the way the likes of boeing and Raytheon and Halliburton are mis treated by the DoD.........if I could make a suggestion to anyone it is to avoid doing business with the federal governments at all costs.....just take the contractors at the FMFS who are woefully underpaid and who have bad genes as your example of why it is a bad idea to trade with the federal government ........LOL....if only more businesses would heed that warning......
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:40 am to bamarep
He's running this country like a fricking business and I love it
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:11 pm to germandawg
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I'd bet compared to their FED counterparts they are doing much better
Not really
Seriously had multiple fed contractors leave to take job with state govs because job security was iffy at best...
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:17 pm to bamarep
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Gone would be the automatic reward of pay “step” increases of 3 percent to 5 percent which 99.7 percent of workers get, regardless of their performance. Also targeted, said the officials, are annual reviews that now give “everybody” a grade of four or five on a scale of five. And benefits, now 47 percent higher than in the private workforce, according to a congressional report, will be trimmed.
“This is a subject that essentially people have ignored,” said a top Trump budget official at a background briefing. “The American people elected a president that promised dramatic change
About damn time. I love this President!!!
MAGA
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:19 pm to bamarep
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Gone would be the automatic reward of pay “step” increases of 3 percent to 5 percent which 99.7 percent of workers get, regardless of their performance.
The private sector is only just now returning to 3-5% raises.
I have no problem with Trump's actions here. That's fair.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:51 pm to bamarep
No bonuses until budget deficit is a stools, bring benefits inline with private sector, and abolish baseline budgeting, but make upper levels officials job performance and retention dependent on coming in under budget
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:06 pm to germandawg
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I'd bet compared to their FED counterparts they are doing much better and compared to a true private sector counterpart even better than that.
Yep, this is almost always correct.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:14 pm to bamarep
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Officials said the overall goal is to bring the 1950s-styled Civil Service into the digital age, introduce automation, reward “the best” with bonuses, make it easier to hire and fire, and provide “flexibility” by moving employees where they are needed and even rehiring skilled retirees.
Gone would be the automatic reward of pay “step” increases of 3 percent to 5 percent which 99.7 percent of workers get, regardless of their performance. Also targeted, said the officials, are annual reviews that now give “everybody” a grade of four or five on a scale of five. And benefits, now 47 percent higher than in the private workforce, according to a congressional report, will be trimmed.
“This is a subject that essentially people have ignored,” said a top Trump budget official at a background briefing. “The American people elected a president that promised dramatic change
Good Trump
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:39 pm to bamarep
now he needs a complete across the board 50-75% pay cut for all those workers.
most of them average making double and in some cases 4 times the average way of normal americans
most of them average making double and in some cases 4 times the average way of normal americans
Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:48 pm to keakar
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now he needs a complete across the board 50-75% pay cut for all those workers.
I'm as conservative as the next cat - but this is crazy.
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most of them average making double and in some cases 4 times the average way of normal americans
Now, the overall benefit package is fairly generous, when you factor in health care, leave, retirement, etc. But you're comparing apples to oranges. In particular, the Federal government doesn't reflect the labor pool as a whole - you don't have nearly as many entry level government jobs - the government doesn't have "minimum" wage jobs like Wal-Mart stockers or fast foot workers in any appreciable numbers - those functions/jobs, insofar as they exist within the Federal government are handled by contractors, largely, and not GS folks.
The Federal government is full of lawyers, accountants, shite tons of white collar folks who - if you want anybody decent - are going to have to have competitive pay. Many are in the D.C. area where the pay isn't really all that competitive with local employers. In the heartland, Federal workers do better than average, I would say, in many places.
But it's not black and white as some suggest.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
not including any benefits, the average government employee makes $100,000 a year, how is that not excessively overpaid?
all im saying is the average wage of government workers should not be any higher then the average wage of regular americans
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:23 pm to keakar
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not including any benefits, the average government employee makes $100,000 a year, how is that not excessively overpaid?
Because it's A LOT of lawyers, accountants and senior executives pulling up this average, with very few $8/hour jobs to pull the other way. I recall a study back in 2012 that said lesser educated government employees did better, relatively speaking, than better educated, relative to their peers.
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all im saying is the average wage of government workers should not be any higher then the average wage of regular americans
If you want to do comparable occupations, fine, but I don't think it's rational to compare, say, attorney pay (federal worker) to fast food pay (private worker).
It's much, much closer when broken down in those terms.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 2:25 pm to roadGator
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It happens in the private sector too. Fire minority. Minority gets mad. Minority goes to EEOC office and files a racism complaint.
There is a preventative solution for that.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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If you want to do comparable occupations, fine, but I don't think it's rational to compare, say, attorney pay (federal worker) to fast food pay (private worker).
thats fine, im not talking blanket paint brush for all, but on average, government workers make more then their privately employed counterparts, then on top of that, they have perks and benefits that no one else ever gets or could get anywhere outside of a government job.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:11 pm to keakar
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government workers make more then their privately employed counterparts
Not really when you consider the vast majority of those federal workers making over $100k are professionals (accountants, doctors, lawyers) and senior executives, and like I said, there just aren't $8 to $10/hour jobs to even that out so you get an inflated picture of the compensation packages.
Yes, the benis are good - no argument about that. The pay, for those who are concerning you at least (over $100k) isn't really out of whack - in places like San Francisco, New York, D.C. (with shite tons, of course), doctors, lawyers, executives are taking a pay cut to work for the federal government.
Want to cut the total number of Federal employees? Sure, I can agree the government employs too many people - but bitching about individual salaries is largely misplaced, IMHO.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:17 pm to STEVED00
At my IG's new employee orientation our deputy counselor told us that there was a woman who had been fired and had just this year filed a new EEO complaint. She was fired TEN YEARS AGO and they still weren't done with her lawsuits.
Also, people may not be aware that automatic step increases only have steps 1-10. Once you hit 10 for your paygrade (such as GS-13 step 10), the only pay increase you'll be getting in the future will either be through a promotion to a GS-14 (rare) or GS-15 (rarer) or via a general COL increase like the one that just went into effect.
It also takes 10 years for those in-grade pay increases to complete, unless you win an award and get a bonus step increase in a particular year.
Also, people may not be aware that automatic step increases only have steps 1-10. Once you hit 10 for your paygrade (such as GS-13 step 10), the only pay increase you'll be getting in the future will either be through a promotion to a GS-14 (rare) or GS-15 (rarer) or via a general COL increase like the one that just went into effect.
It also takes 10 years for those in-grade pay increases to complete, unless you win an award and get a bonus step increase in a particular year.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 5:17 pm to keakar
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on average, government workers make more then their privately employed counterparts, then on top of that, they have perks and benefits that no one else ever gets or could get anywhere outside of a government job.
Literally none of this is correct.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
DB - LOVE that you're in the thread and that we're generally on the same side on this one.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 6:08 pm
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