re: Trump, DC and things that seem clearer to me

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This entire aid to other countries for defense is a sham on taxpayers. A good portion of those monies are used to buy weapons from the US MIC. The Ukrainians, for example, intended to buy Javelin anti tank missiles with some of the money we gave them that is at the center of this impeachment. Raytheon makes those missiles. Trump is right to question such aid and we should stop it now.

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Worse than that is they kick some of that money back to the politicians that help them obtain the money. It's a huge money-laundering scheme. The Clinton Foundation is a prime example of this happening. Hunter Biden is just the tip of the corruption iceberg.

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I’m old enough to remember when Trump won the House and Senate in 2016

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And he accomplished nothing except the tax cut. The White House was disorganized and made misstep after misstep. Lots of political capital was wasted.

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How do you expect the people to follow???

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If there was any past doubt as to who to vote for, it was because there was no significant difference between Rs and Ds. Rs were Ds light; wimps mouthing free market, conservative principles, but too scared to stray too far from the conventional DC and MSM wisdom.

Have courage. Stand up for principle. Pursue actions, not words, showing you are different, and honest hard working people will notice and follow.

Trump has in many respects done that. The most disappointing thing he has not done is tackle spending. One of the reasons gov't is so corrupt is it is so big; there is so much of our money being thrown around. At this point I don't know if this is a strategic decision on his part (trying to deal with the swamp first) or if he is not a fiscal conservative and never will deal with the size of government.

I do know, however, that he is a better option than any of the other mealy mouthed conservatives that have been offered up and he is our best chance of changing things. He has my faith for another 4 years.

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This thread represents why Trump supporters(includes me) are so dug in.

IB has pushed an agenda regarding trade so much that now he will not garner much support for even meaningful dialogue.

The media and Dems have done the exact same thing regarding Trump, only to a much larger and dangerous scale. Sensible Americans are taking notice and are seeing everything the Media and Dems do as partisan BS.

So, just like blind downvotes for this thread because IB started it, Trump supporters are jaded to the media and will dispute anything they say regarding Trump.

Our nation is the most divided I’ve seen it in my life. The media could cure this with sensible discussion, approval when warranted(and there is a ton to approve with this administration) and criticism that is sensible.

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this is actually the best thread he has started(in my opinion) and I actually do agree with some of his assessments and that surprised the shite out of me

So what shitty hardware store do you own in Hammond?

For the most part I agree but I would like to add a little to a few points.

1. Your point on Trump having a following is spot on but nothing will ever start serious talks about formally splitting the country. What would happen if he were removed from office by the Senate would be the closest thing to a 2nd Civil War we will possibly ever see (at least in our lifetimes). The people that are loyal Trump supporters are the ones that have to be pushed into action but once they have that motivation then they are far more likely (and capable) of going scorched-earth than your Antifas, NOWs, etc. And they are heavily armed.

2. I don't think we should stop aid in this instance as stopping aid would allow Russia to move in as they please. We would then be spending that money in the EU to bolster defenses there. I am, however, very much in favor of constantly questioning aid to foreign countries and reviewing what that aid is actually being used for.

3. You said Trump was right to advocate for those changes in China but he was wrong to punish Americans to accomplish it. I challenge that stance. Had Trump not hurt them badly they would not have re-negotiated and there was no other way to truly hurt them as deeply and as quickly as the trade war. Did it hurt some Americans? Sure, but there was absolutely no way to accomplish this without someone getting hurt.

4. That was certainly true of the Democrat presentation. Today (the first day of the President's team putting forth their arguments) the gallery was full. Also, while even the Senators were bored and nodding off during the droning of the Democrats from the House, every single one was alert and taking notes all morning (at least on the camera shots showing them).

5. I don't disagree with that and I think the sham of the Russian Collusion investigation, the ineptitude of the Mueller investigation, the fiasco of the Whistleblower, the damning finding of the Horowitz investigation (damning not just the FBI but FISA and the Mueller investigations as well) and now this poorly-executed and fatally flawed snipe hunt of an Impeachment process put forth by the House and so many other things are going to push the House back into red territory in November. If this happens I think it comes from a wave of newly elected Trump supporters, thus giving him that necessary assistance.

6. Agreed. It does need to be noted though that Trump has gotten a lot done on immigration despite the House.

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3)Trump is right to advocate for those changes in China but he was wrong to punish Americans to accomplish it.

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Protecting American workers and companies is not punishing Americans .

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6) We really need to get back to domestic issues. We need to solve immigration, healthcare and government spending. No one even talks about these issues anymore. Government is far too large and far too powerful.

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Build a wall , buy YOUR OWN healthcare , stop giving taxpayer money to illegals , foreign aid and lazy asses is a good start to reducing government spending.

Also , Globalism is BAD for the American taxpayer !

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6) We really need to get back to domestic issues. We need to solve immigration, healthcare and government spending. No one even talks about these issues anymore. Government is far too large and far too powerful.

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This is why I laugh at the “drain the swamp” people. Sure, Trump has rolled back some regulations via executive order and that’s great, but he hasn’t really cut anything. Spending is up. Just wait until Congress finally gets an infrastructure spending bill.....