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re: Trump considers options to boost birth rates in US.

Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:40 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:40 pm to
This is happening all over the world, even in most developing countries. As standard of living goes up, birthrates go down. I don't know what you can realistically do about it short of a worldwide calamity that returns most humans to a subsistence economy.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:43 pm to
Floating this on the same day that you announce that you plan to defund Headstart doesn't really do much for the whole "Goverment budget and spending is just a shell game" idea.
Posted by Smeg
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:48 pm to
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If the gays wouldn’t make it look so enticing maybe we could get more chicks pregnant.

You think gay men are "enticing"?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:49 pm to
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Floating this on the same day that you announce that you plan to defund Headstart doesn't really do much for the whole "Goverment budget and spending is just a shell game" idea.

Nonsense. It's perfectly consistent with the narrative that the government sucks at every single thing it does and taxpayers' money is best in taxpayers' hands.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:50 pm to
Visionary!
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:51 pm to
Birth rate obsession ain’t going to help MAGA beat the fascist allegations tbh.
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:53 pm to
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Birth rate obsession ain’t going to help MAGA beat the fascist allegations tbh.

Nobody that matters takes the "fascist allegations" seriously.
Posted by ronricks
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:53 pm to


We already incentivize people to have babies many out of wedlock. This is so fricking dumb.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:54 pm to
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Nonsense. It's perfectly consistent with the narrative that the government sucks at every single thing it does and taxpayers' money is best in taxpayers' hands.

Does government run head starts? I was pretty sure they helped to fund locals to run them by subsidizing It for the low income folks.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:55 pm to
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Nobody that matters takes the "fascist allegations" seriously.


Sure but the birth rate stuff was a similar obsession for Germany and Italy in the 30s. Just an interesting correlation that will get some folks worked up into a sweat.
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 5:59 pm to
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Does government run head starts? I was pretty sure they helped to fund locals to run them by subsidizing It for the low income folks.

Local what? State and local governments and "community action agencies" - so more government.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:01 pm to
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Local what? State and local governments and "community action agencies" - so more government.


From what I've seen it's local business owners who run the head start but lots of different answers to that. Several of which aren't more government ....

LINK

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Across the country, school districts, nonprofit and for-profit groups, faith-based institutions, tribal councils, and other organizations qualify to become a Head Start recipient and receive federal funding.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75120 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:01 pm to
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Nonsense. It's perfectly consistent with the narrative that the government sucks at every single thing it does and taxpayers' money is best in taxpayers' hands.

It will be the same spending just under a different name. Shell game.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:01 pm to
Improve the economy and increasing expendable income usually leads to more babies.
Posted by AuburnTigers
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:05 pm to
If i donate sperm, do i get to claim the 5k if they use my spunk to create a life?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22714 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:06 pm to
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Across the country, school districts, nonprofit and for-profit groups, faith-based institutions, tribal councils, and other organizations qualify to become a Head Start recipient and receive federal funding.

Exactly. Vast majority of those organizations fail at pretty much every single thing they do, so less from them is more for the country.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22714 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:08 pm to
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It will be the same spending just under a different name. Shell game

You can call it a shell game, that's fine. But for many, $5K of taxpayer money in the hands of taxpayers isn't problematic that same way it is shoveling that cash through a bunch of public school districts, NGOs, tribes, etc.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:08 pm to
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Exactly. Vast majority of those organizations fail at pretty much every single thing they do, so less from them is more for the country.

I'm confused by your stance on this. Are you saying just remove head start funding all together and be done with it. Instead give people a 5k check per baby?
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:10 pm to
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“I just think this administration is inherently pronatalist,” said the activist Simone Collins, referring to the movement to reverse declining birthrates.

Ms. Collins, along with her husband, Malcolm Collins, sent the White House several draft executive orders, including one that would bestow a “National Medal of Motherhood” to mothers with six or more children.




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National Medal of Motherhood


Yikes
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22714 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 6:11 pm to
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I'm confused by your stance on this. Are you saying just remove head start funding all together and be done with it. Instead give people a 5k check per baby?

I'm saying defund head start (and as much of government as possible). That's a priority.

I don't really care about the $5K idea. I don't think it'll have much of an impact on birth rates.

If you really want families to have more kids, rightsize federal, state and local governments and school districts so families can afford more kids and a decent standard of living.
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