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re: Trump and Ryan square off... Trump demands Wall funds

Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:55 pm to
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dcbl
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119313 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:57 pm to
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So Mexico's not paying?


Tell congress (Ryan) to approve Wilber Ross' letter of intent to renegotiate NAFTA and you better fricking believe Mexico will pay for it.

PAUL RYAN IS PROTECTING MEXICO!
Posted by brains
Member since Oct 2015
29 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:59 pm to
Let's ask them Texans if they want that wall.
Oops, somebody already did, and here's what they said:
LINK
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8562 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:03 pm to
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Dude... shut up

oh you mad.
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The god damn wall will be built and through tariffs

A tariff will only hurt us as consumers. Mexico is our 3 largest trading partner. It would be stupid to basically eliminate them as an option. Why you gotta be so Bernie Sanders and hate the free market???
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if actually thought Mexico was going to write us a check...then you're a failure.

I never thought they would. But Trump promised it...And a promise is a promise. We gotta hold your Yankee overlord accountable don't you think??? We can't have him get cocky just like Obama did (since it seems that this is the bar Trump fans on this board have decided to compare him to).
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119313 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:07 pm to
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A tariff will only hurt us as consumers.


Right. Then why do you support Ryan's BAT?
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35251 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:10 pm to
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Why the frick can't you and the rest of the country just let this play out.
I was responding to your post which stated that it WOULD be paid off. That doesn't sound like you're letting it play out either.
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4 months in, and nothing but negativity,
It's still the government we're talking about; it deserves negativity, regardless of who is in power.
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conspiracy theories,
Do you see the constant conspiracies posted on here and realize who those posters generally support?
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speculation
Uh yeah. None of us are in the know so we are all speculating most of the time. You can present it as a certain fact, but that doesn't make it so.
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If Trump failing is what makes you happy, then good for you.
Failures on things like healthcare and taxes wouldn't make me happy. I find those important, and I agree with Trump's positions. Less important topics are more amusing to watch unfold, whether it's a failure or ntopics

And things I disagree with, like his trade policies, specifically tarrifs, I hope fail. It's not amusing though.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 9:13 pm
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8562 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:14 pm to
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Right. Then why to you support Ryan's BAT?

Show me the exact moment I said I did.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35251 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:14 pm to
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Right. Then why to you support Ryan's BAT?
I don't support it at all, unless maybe it's an offset to income and corporate taxes.

I wish they would all focus on somehow lowering taxes, not finding new taxes to pay for things.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51817 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:28 pm to
Somebody is about to get himself unelected.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35251 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:43 pm to
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Somebody is about to get himself unelected.
Like last year when Breitbart wanted to just him and made it seem like he was about to be primaried out of office? That nearly 70 point victory was a nailbiter; clearly his constituents wanted him out.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22847 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:45 pm to
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the republican party controls the house and senate and trump still can't pee a drop with his agenda.maybe trump isn't our savior.perhaps he is the idiot many of us thought he was.


Well you would hope the leading Republican congressmen would get out of their own way and actually accomplish something. They are completely falling on their face. They have no argument now. They have a President ready to get stuff done for their constituents and they aren't getting anything done. Ryan is a failure.

Many of these leaders are refusing to work with a Republican leader who actually defeated the democratic machine to give them the abiliy to do something. It seems as we all were perfectly aware of the Republican party is full of a bunch of corrupt politicians with only their personal greedy interest in mind.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51817 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:47 pm to
No, actually it's nothing like that.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119313 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:52 pm to
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I wish they would all focus on somehow lowering taxes, not finding new taxes to pay for things.


That would require Democrats coming to the table. Without Democrats the senate can only pass tax measures that are budget neutral over ten years as scored by the CBO (who has never been right) or tax measures with an expiration date requiring congressional renewal through the reconciliation process (with a simple senate majority).
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:52 pm to
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buckeye_vol

Good for you...breaking it all down. Even got a gay arse rotflmao in there. The conspiracy theories are from all the fricks that showed back up after the inauguration, when their 8 year embarrassment left town...spewing all kinds of stupid shite with links to stupid shite articles. Not going to argue about it because I really don't give that much of a frick as you seem to...it's a waste of time and nothing would change.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35251 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:53 pm to
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Well you would hope the leading Republican congressmen would get out of their own way and actually accomplish something. They are completely falling on their face. They have no argument now. They have a President ready to get stuff done for their constituents and they aren't getting anything done. Ryan is a failure.
Well first of all, there appears to be some logistical issues that would make it reasonable to not include wall spending in this current budget, while still moving forward.

Regardless, the wall increases spending, and therefore increases that little thing people used to care about at least: the debt.

So arguing that just getting something "done" is of utmost importance, while ignoring the logistical and financial consequences of that, is eerily similar to the Democrats reasoning.

Frankly, unless getting something done results in less government, I personally think not getting it done is preferable and actually good governance by comparison.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21129 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:55 pm to
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Which exposes him as a liar, because he said earlier that he was for the wall.



Maybe he's for the Wall of Mexico pays for it, which was the promise, by the way.


Why aren't you mad at Trump for promising a hundred times that Mexico would pay for the Wall and then completely failing at fulfilling that promise? Then, he wants the American tax payer to pay for it. Why doesn't that upset you?


"We're going to build a wall ... and Mexico's gonna pay for it!"

Remember that? Every. Single. Trump. Rally.

Now, you blame Ryan?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35251 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:55 pm to
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That would require Democrats coming to the table. Without Democrats the senate can only pass tax measures that are budget neutral over ten years as scored by the CBO (who has never been right) or tax measures with an expiration date requiring congressional renewal through the reconciliation process (with a simple senate majority).
Sure, then focus all energy and resources on that, one way or the other. I'm including healthcare in that.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119313 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:56 pm to
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Many of these leaders are refusing to work with a Republican leader who actually defeated the democratic machine to give them the abiliy to do something. It seems as we all were perfectly aware of the Republican party is full of a bunch of corrupt politicians with only their personal greedy interest in mind.


It's the Uniparty. There are not many differences between Republican and Democrats especially when it comes to Obamacare, amnesty and spending...mostly spending. They all love spending. Big spending. Spend. Spend. Spend and spend some more.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29763 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:59 pm to
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P.T.Barnum said that there's a sucker born every minute.

that statement is no truer than now.trump's supporters fell hook,line and sinker for what they wanted hear...


OH NO!!!

WE HAVEN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THE WALL AND TRUMP HAS ALREADY BEEN IN FOR THREE MONTHS!!!

This MUST mean that Trump is a TOTAL FAILURE!!!

Goddamn, if I had it to do over again I would have voted for Hillary!

And I for sure wish we had Merrick Garland on SCOTUS, because life is so much less scary with the federal government telling me what to do!!

Thanks for setting me straight baw!

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35251 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:00 pm to
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They all love spending. Big spending. Spend. Spend. Spend and spend some more.
Exactly, and guess who is no different:
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Despite President Trump’s request for more than $1 billion
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