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re: Trump administration proposes sending food directly to low-income families
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:21 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:21 pm to The Spleen
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The fraud doesn't really occur with teh end users, it occurs with vendors that accept EBT cards. That's where the crack down should focus, but the poor are the lower hanging fruit.
And this idea which just shift the fraud and abuse somewhere else. You don't think there would be massive corruption with corporations wanting their food in those packages?
You are probably right. Let's don't do anything or try anything new at all. Let's just accept the situation and not change anything.
Sounds like this is what you are saying.
If the government sends out 20% of assistance in food products rather than as food stamps, this is a 20% DECREASE in in food stamps that are being abused.
Pretty significant decrease. Liquor stores aren't going to accept cheese or vegetables as payment.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 4:23 pm
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:22 pm to Cruiserhog
Get ready for those commodity pick up lines. You liberals will bitch and moan that this would belittle and cause traumatic complexes.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:22 pm to Vacherie Saint
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or you just use modern tech to limit what people can buy from their local grocer with the ebt card.
There are menu and regulation costs associated with that, that I'm not really eager to impose on smaller businesses. It is another way to do it, sure, but I like the idea of distribution of a basket of items, either to a center where people can get it, or to their door.
The idea of people standing around while allowed and unallowed items are segregated and paid for separately is pretty terrible. The lobbying for being on the approved list is also unsavory. Having to change it and update it. Use the scale and buying power of the federal government.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:24 pm to alphaandomega
quote:There's a lot of overconfidence in this thread about the government's ability to change the lives of the people in the bottom rungs of society if they were just allowed more micromanagement.
I think the best solution would be "hotels" where people who need a place to live can stay. Cafeteria downstairs. Security to keep people who dont live there out.
Drug testing for all residents.
Maybe space for job training, medical clinics etc.
Im ok for helping someone who needs it but it should be spartan and for only a short period of time.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:24 pm to MSMHater
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Does said system have the existing capacity to manage an influx of 1000's and 1000's of pounds of (assumedly) non-perishable food items and maintain their current level of productivity?
It's an efficient system, right
If it has that much excess capacity at present, then it's inefficient.
I get that you're now moving the goal posts because you forgot the USPS is a thing, but can you at least stop being contradictory in your attempts to do so?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:24 pm to The Spleen
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The fraud doesn't really occur with teh end users, it occurs with vendors that accept EBT cards.
All you need to get food stamps in California is a pulse. Fraud is so rampant that it might even make you sick.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:24 pm to Montezuma
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This is going to take away from the local business.
As a local business, the loss won't be that significant. In fact it might actually generate more profit. One reason, if EBT Todd has .30 cents on his EBT card, he will spend it until it's zero and it costs me more to run the card then I will actually make on most transactions with EBT cards such as sodas, candy bars, and other low profit items.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:25 pm to BamaAtl
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Account for a family without a stable address. Or a family that's effectively homeless. Or a family that has their 'food parcel' stolen from their doorstep. Or a package that's lost in the mail.
Guess Americans can starve so you can live out your ignorant Randian fantasies, eh?
Maybe the same way it's done now for families that don't have a permanent mailing address when it comes to receiving their EBT card or correspondence - let them pick it up at their local SNAP office.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:25 pm to The Spleen
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It's Rouse's fault if they accept an EBT payment from someone whose name is not on the card.
Wait. So the person actually committing the fraud has no culpability? It's all on the store?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I remember a month or so ago DJT visited Salt Lake City and met with the LDS church at a Food distribution center. The LDS church has been handling helping the poor like this for decades. It seems to work for them, cuts down on abuse but is also real blessing for those who are truly hungry. win win
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:28 pm to The Spleen
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It's Rouse's fault if they accept an EBT payment from someone whose name is not on the card.
Wait...you’re saying that the person committing fraud isn’t liable for it? Da frick?
That’s like Reggie’s taking a fake ID and saying that you can’t blame the kid using it to get in. It’s called personal responsibility.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:31 pm to The Pirate King
I just want to take a step back and be amazed. We have a government that moves entire mechanized machines of war to the far corners of the globe with absolute precision, and there are people that believe that getting rice to needy people in this country is too difficult.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:31 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Which is fine but that implies one of two things: (1) We're actually going to use MREs which are nutritionally balanced for adult soldiers and very expensive when compared with the cash price of comparable grocery store food (2) The government will create and package new standardized meals which are more nutritionally generalized and don't require FRHs, etc., which circles back to my original criticism about inventing new logistics chains.
I don't think anyone is suggesting a 20lb sack of rice and a live pig here. You are probably looking at something non perishable and compact like an MRE
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:32 pm to Iosh
did you go blind half way through my post?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:33 pm to The Pirate King
For a while my family paid to have a biweekly shipment of fresh vegetables sent to the house.
It was fun and the food was direct from farmers and very high quality.
This is a great idea to promote healthy eating for the poor.
It was fun and the food was direct from farmers and very high quality.
This is a great idea to promote healthy eating for the poor.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:34 pm to bird35
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This is a great idea to promote healthy eating for the poor.
I assure you that the same liberals fawning over Michelle’s failed lunch plan will absolutely hate this.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:34 pm to Iosh
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Which is fine but that implies one of two things: (1) We're actually going to use MREs which are nutritionally balanced for adult soldiers and very expensive when compared with the cash price of comparable grocery store food (2) The government will create and package new standardized meals which are more nutritionally generalized and don't require FRHs, etc., which circles back to my original criticism about inventing new logistics chains.
Well, by the numbers, the current system doesn't achieve the vast majority of its stated goals, so we should either try something possibly better or scrap it. Which do you prefer?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:34 pm to Vacherie Saint
They should contract with a delivery service like Amazon.com
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:36 pm to KosmoCramer
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They should contract with a delivery service like Amazon.com
Amazon delivers most of my packages via USPS.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 4:36 pm to TigerBait1971
quote:Good.That means a market glut, and I'll be able to have lobster five nights a week instead of the usual four.
Lobster sales will go down.
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