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To those who say you can’t compare CV19 to H1N1
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:21 pm
If, at the end of this, US deaths end up less than H1N1 (roughly 12,000) then wouldn’t that be a massive success? We keep hearing this is so much worse than H1N1, which justifies the closures, panic, etc. But if we end up at say 5,000 deaths, then what?
FTR we are at 500 right now.
FTR we are at 500 right now.
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Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:23 pm to RidiculousHype
You can’t compare since H1N1 was way worse
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:28 pm to Sput
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You can’t compare since H1N1 was way worse
Too early to say that
Based on the early numbers the death rate seems to be much higher for CV19
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In the U.S., between April 2009 and April 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, with over 274,000 hospitalizations and nearly 12,500 deaths — that's a mortality rate of about 0.02%
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:31 pm to RidiculousHype
Have you not heard? Scientists unanimously agree millions will die, we have to shut down the economy. If it saves one life it’ll be worth it.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:32 pm to RidiculousHype
US deaths from COVID19 will be dramatically lower than H1N1. Wuhan virus has below 1000 deaths after 4-5 months (we’ve only been testing for 1-2 months the virus has been here longer than we began testing.)
H1n1 over 12k deaths in 13 months. Will be ~2x higher than wuhan virus death toll.
H1n1 over 12k deaths in 13 months. Will be ~2x higher than wuhan virus death toll.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:33 pm to RidiculousHype
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wouldn’t that be a massive success?
Yes. I'm glad we didn't ignore it and hope it would go away because people were stupid enough to compare this to the common flu.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:34 pm to AMS
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US deaths from COVID19 will be dramatically lower than H1N1. Wuhan virus has below 1000 deaths after 4-5 months (we’ve only been testing for 1-2 months the virus has been here longer than we began testing.)
H1n1 over 12k deaths in 13 months. Will be ~2x higher than wuhan virus death toll.
If this is correct, how can anyone justify the media’s coverage of, and government response to this?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:35 pm to RidiculousHype
Hard to say. The southern US and Mexico were the epicenter of H1N1 and it was widespread before it was discovered. With CV19 we had several weeks notice and could have accepted tests before community spread happened.
However, CV19 is far more deadly and being above 500 deaths now tells me that holding this to 5k deaths may be just wishful thinking at this point.
However, CV19 is far more deadly and being above 500 deaths now tells me that holding this to 5k deaths may be just wishful thinking at this point.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:36 pm to mmcgrath
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we had several weeks notice and could have accepted tests before community spread happened.
Accepted tests from whom?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:36 pm to Powerman
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Based on the early numbers the death rate seems to be much higher for CV19
Based off comparatively small sample collections from primarily the most ill and severely affected. misrepresents the data. If they only tested The severely ill, dying or famous folks during h1n1 wed see much higher death % much like with wuhan virus.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:40 pm to RidiculousHype
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If this is correct, how can anyone justify the media’s coverage of, and government response to this?
Can’t justify the media wont try.
But the government response ‘may be justified’ if true. I’m sure the death toll would be much higher if social distancing and shut downs were not implemented. An excessive gov response definitely impacts the damage of the virus. If we did similar actions for h1n1 the death toll would be lower too, much like any infectious disease would.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:41 pm to RebelExpress38
quote:But it won't save one campaign in particular.
If it saves one life it’ll be worth it.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:42 pm to RebelExpress38
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Have you not heard? Scientists unanimously agree millions will die
Are these the same 97% global warming scientists?
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:48 pm to RidiculousHype
I think it will be worse if we don’t develop a treatment. But not by a huge factor.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:51 pm to Powerman
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In the U.S., between April 2009 and April 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, with over 274,000 hospitalizations and nearly 12,500 deaths — that's a mortality rate of about 0.02%
Here is what is not mentioned in the swine flu and regular flu numbers. They have gone through correction for uncounted cases based on computer models of their viral behavior. The corona virus numbers are all just raw data at this point because there is not enough info on it yet
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:59 pm to narddogg81
The viruses will actually turn out to be similar with one BIG difference. The swine flu attacked young people way more than the elderly. That may have been the virus or something in the immune system of older Americans. CV19 doesn’t have that trait. Obviously more older people sick, more deaths. At the end of the day THATs the morality difference nothing else.
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:00 pm to RidiculousHype
Exponential growth patterns actually prove that Over 10 million will be dead before April is over
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:37 pm to Powerman
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Based on the early numbers the death rate seems to be much higher for CV19
because you have ALL the fricking data for one and not for the other one
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:47 pm to Powerman
quote:misleading. most 19 patients are asymptomatic. we don't even know the total number of infected patients.
the death rate seems to be much higher for CV19
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:48 pm to Argonaut
quote:so far, that is a dumb comparison. seasonal flu is way way wayyyyy worse at this point
people were stupid enough to compare this to the common flu
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