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re: To those who oppose the Big Beautiful Bill

Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:59 am to
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4686 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 11:59 am to
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I don’t care about promises if it’s bad policy.
Allowing American people to keep more of their hard earned money is "bad policy"? Securing the southern border is "bad policy"?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26956 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:01 pm to
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Allowing American people to keep more of their hard earned money is "bad policy"? Securing the southern border is "bad policy"?

I’ve already addressed the southern border piece. I don’t think it’s bad policy. I think a wall is an inefficient tactic.

I think giving a tip carve out to win more votes from service workers in Nevada is a bad policy.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:02 pm to
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I don’t care about promises if it’s bad policy.


What is bad policy in this:


1. No taxes on tips — servers, bartenders, and bellhops just got a raise Promises made, promises kept

2.Made Trump tax cuts permanent — Biden wanted them to expire.

3.Child tax credit raised to $2,500

4.Overtime pay tax-free — work hard, actually keep more.

5.$1.6 trillion in spending cuts — the largest rollback of government bloat in U.S. history.

6.Work requirement for welfare — able-bodied? Then get off the couch.

7.Deporting 1 million illegal immigrants per year — no more catch and release.

8. Builds the wall—finishes it — 701 miles of serious border protection. Massive!

9.10,000 new ICE agents — law and order at the border. Huge!

10.Eliminates Medicaid for illegal aliens — American benefits for Americans.

11.“Trump Savings Accounts” for kids — build generational wealth from birth. Game changer.

12.Slashes IRS funding — no more 87,000 new agents breathing down your neck.

13.Green New Deal defunded — no more money for solar BS.

14.Energy production unleashed — back to drilling, fracking, etc.

15.Tariffs on Chinese-built ships — protect American shipbuilders.

16.Buy American, build American — required on all infrastructure projects.

17.Estate tax protections expanded — family farms and businesses stay in the family.

18.Repeals DEI mandates — merit matters again. DEI is dying.

19.Bans taxpayer-funded gender ideology in federal agencies.

20.Military pay raise + benefits boost

21.National missile defense (“Golden Dome”)

22.HSA accounts expanded — use them for direct primary care.

23.School choice tax credits — parents, not unions, control education. Historic!

24.Feds barred from mandating pronoun usage.

25.Medicaid block grants to states — local control, not DC strings. Saves hundreds of billions.

26.Revives apprenticeship programs — college not required to succeed. The cartel hates this.

27.1% of exports must ship under U.S. flag

28.Mandates voter ID for federal elections.

29.Ends ESG mandates in retirement accounts

30.Cracks down on Big Pharma middlemen

31.Bans drag shows for kids at federally funded venues.

32.Fires the climate cult from federal boards

33.Veterans get priority housing access

34. Tax credit for buying American-made vehicles

35.Stops Chinese ownership of U.S. farmland — our soil is finally protected!.

36.Bans CRT from federal training programs.

37.Ends taxpayer-funded abortions abroad. And defunds planned parenthood!

38.Guts federal diversity czars — cuts the bloated bureaucracy.

39.Revives the Keystone XL pipeline
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40. Eliminates federal COVID emergency powers

41.Enacts Social Security tax cuts for seniors.

42.Defends religious liberty in the workplace

43. Restores due process on college campuses.

44. Massively expands trade school funding

45. Outlaws federal funding for gender transitions for minors.

46. Creates nationwide “patriot curriculum” grant fund

47.Halts funding to the UN’s woke agenda arms.

48. Tax breaks for adoption and large families.

49. Increases penalties for fentanyl trafficking — life in prison for cartels.

50. Restores cash bail in federal jurisdictions — no more revolving-door criminals.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:02 pm to
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. I think a wall is an inefficient tactic.


Same

Most illegals arent crossing the border, they're flying in or overstaying their visa.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4686 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

I think a wall is an inefficient tactic.
Seems to be working pretty darn good.

quote:

think giving a tip carve out to win more votes from service workers in Nevada is a bad policy.
Blah blah blah. You sound like an angry woman. All you want to do is bitch and gripe.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4686 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:06 pm to
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Most illegals arent crossing the border, they're flying in or overstaying their visa.

Just when I think you have reached the bottom of the stupid pit, you did deeper...

"In April 2025, Border Patrol encountered 8,383 migrants attempting to cross the U.S.-Mexico border without authorization, a 93% decrease from the previous year's April. This translates to an average of 279 apprehensions per day, a significant drop from the 4,297 per day in April 2024"
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55479 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:06 pm to
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Do you think that's likely to happen, or do you think they'll just pass another continuing resolution and deal with Dems to make that happen?

Well obviously it’s not likely to happen. But Trump was our last hope that something would be done about the deficit before the deficit does something about us. Those are high hopes, and it’s a little unfair to blame Trump for failing at that, but he has. And nothing that happens in the rest of his term is going to palliate that.

There are some good things in this bill, things that will help daily life, but the time bomb keeps ticking.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4686 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:07 pm to
They won't have an answer, they will just pivot and sky-scream.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65785 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:08 pm to
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If a future president truly has no interest, the wall will not be an effective deterrent. It will be easily breached and require constant repair and maintenance.


Alright. You don't want the wall. I think you're in the minority on that one so good luck with that.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23012 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:08 pm to
Someone pointed out the bad point and your response was "HA you just BITCH like a WOMAN!"
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65785 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:09 pm to
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it’s a little unfair to blame Trump for failing at that, but he has.


No, he hasn't. This is not the only bill they plan to pass.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26956 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:10 pm to
I don’t have time to respond to all of those line by line, but I am generally not in favor of any additional entitlement or spending that is not funded by additional revenue. In my ideal world, I would like to cut taxes on everyone, but it’s not responsible to do so if we aren’t also cutting spending by at least the same amount.

I do not see why the federal government needs to be involved in so many aspects of our financial and personal lives.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Just when I think you have reached the bottom of the stupid pit, you did deeper...

quote:



For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings


Derp
LINK
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:14 pm to
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They won't have an answer, they will just pivot and sky-scream.


They crawl to the taxes on tips and overtime and latch on as if that's all that's in it.

Never mind these "conservatives" who claim to have voted for Trump knew damn well he was going to do this. He frickin ran on it.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:15 pm to
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I don’t have time to respond to all of those line by line, but I am generally not in favor of any additional entitlement or spending that is not funded by additional revenue. In my ideal world, I would like to cut taxes on everyone, but it’s not responsible to do so if we aren’t also cutting spending by at least the same amount.



You have time. You just don't want to adress it because it actually SHOWS ENTITLEMENT CUTS!


Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6978 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:16 pm to
LOL! NPR!!!!


LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299260 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:17 pm to
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LOL! NPR!!!!


If you could read, you could easily fact check.



Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26956 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:17 pm to
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You have time. You just don't want to adress it because it actually SHOWS ENTITLEMENT CUTS!

Some, but then also entitlements added.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4686 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:52 pm to
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who claim to have voted for Trump
They never voted for Trump.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102668 posts
Posted on 6/5/25 at 12:53 pm to
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How about a mandate to cut 10% in every dept, esp defense? 2. Then, tax cuts. Two bills. 10 pages long each. You see, as a normal, thinking man, I can comprehend the larger the bill, the more the bullshite.


This can’t be done via reconciliation


You need to read up on the reconciliation process. It’s very specific and limited in how you do it and what can be done.
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