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re: Thoughts on Bill Maher from the Right
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:42 am to 3nOut
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:42 am to 3nOut
quote:I infer that you are referencing the vertical and horizontal axes on a Nolan chart, and I tend to agree.
if you're even just a tick below the line, left or right on the political compass. my disagreement with your politics overall tends to skew the more you go upwards.
What our staunch "conservatives" never seem to grasp is that most libertarians are on the same side as them of the VERTICAL axis, but that libertarians are (far?) above the HORIZONTAL axis, while the self-declared "conservatives" either straddle the horizontal axis or fall a bit below it.
By contrast, the Dems are (for the most part) well to the Left of the vertical axis AND even FURTHER below the horizontal axis than the "conservatives."
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:47 am to YumYum Sauce
quote:The present political establishment has, for ever, been the best source for comedic material.
He hated on trump his entire presidency
Now a lib is in office he's hating on him
I see a pattern
Maher is smart enough to know and take advantage of it.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:48 am to BugAC
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Maher is a socialist, and he doesn't hide from that. I disagree just about with everything he says, politically. However, his recent comments just shows how far left the average democrat has gone. And while Maher is a socialist, he's not an anarchist. And that is what the left has become.
I think what Maher doing is great, because he's exposing to the leftists that are stuck in their echo chamber, just how far they have fallen.
The problem with people like Maher is when push comes to shove they will side with the whacked out Wokesters…..guaranteed!
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:49 am to AggieHank86
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What our staunch "conservatives" never seem to grasp is that most libertarians are on the same side as them of the VERTICAL axis, but that libertarians are (far?) above the HORIZONTAL axis, while the self-declared "conservatives" either straddle the horizontal axis or fall a bit below it.
mostly agreed.
where i think it gets skewed is something like the above. under no circumstances is Joe Biden or Barack Obama need to be that far right on the X axis. nor any of the democrats. Trump is nowhere near that far right or up, even though I can definitely get the call for him being more authoritarian than not.
most of the posted democrats Y axis are probably accurate, but the Xs are way off, painting a more conservative picture of the democrats than they actually are.
FTR. In the second graph, i usually land about where Steyer is, and there's no way we have similar answers to the political compass test.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:13 pm to Zach
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I'll never forget Bill Maher claiming he was a libertarian for decades until he became embarrassed by libertarians laughing at him.
I'd argue that he became nominally more libertarian when he started getting booed at college campuses. He only opposes authoritarian overreach when it's aimed at him personally. He's somehow reconned himself into this champion of free speech when he's been the exact opposite of that for decades.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:15 pm to 3nOut
Personally, I hate the versions of the Nolan chart that put authoritarianism in the north quadrants and libertarians in the south.
quote:Agree. Any assessment that puts Biden and Obama "right of center" is just nuts.
most of the posted democrats Y axis are probably accurate, but the Xs are way off, painting a more conservative picture of the democrats than they actually are.
quote:On this version, you would find me South of Yang's charted position by about two squares, though I think that they are charting HIM Right of his accurate position, too. I would chart him about the same place vertically and about one square Left of the Y-axis horizontally.
FTR. In the second graph, i usually land about where Steyer is, and there's no way we have similar answers to the political compass test.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:16 pm to shinerfan
quote:Most who claim to be libertarians do not understand the philosophy very well, but Maher MIGHT be teetering at the VERY Left edge of libertarian thought. Certainly a good distance from libertarian orthodoxyquote:I'd argue that he became nominally more libertarian when he started getting booed at college campuses. He only opposes authoritarian overreach when it's aimed at him personally. He's somehow reconned himself into this champion of free speech when he's been the exact opposite of that for decades
I'll never forget Bill Maher claiming he was a libertarian for decades until he became embarrassed by libertarians laughing at him.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:23 pm to coachcrisp
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Maher is smart enough to know and take advantage of it.
Its entertainment. People get too bent out of shape with these talking heads.
They're all friends off the set.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Bill’s “takes” are years behind the average conservatives, yet he acts like he’s breaking new ground.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:44 pm to RedHawk
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Never heard someone that aligns with my political beliefs more than Bill Maher.
So, you're slightly less wrong than the crazy plurality on your side of the spectrum. Bully for you.
quote:
I know this is a right wing echo chamber, but I still think a lot of people in here would agree with him if they gave him a chance.
All of the Marxism is wrong. All of it. The fact that he's (sort of) right on free speech, radical Islam and the entire transmania doesn't change the fact he's wrong (and likely so are you) on:
Guns
Tax policy
Abortion
Education
Basically name it other than the 3 above, he's wrong.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:48 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
On this version, you would find me South of Yang's charted position by about two squares, though I think that they are charting HIM Right of his accurate position, too. I would chart him about the same place vertically and about one square Left of the Y-axis horizontally.
The best part about all this analysis (and this is increasing despite the MSM's efforts to blunt it) - the less crazy someone outwardly appears (e.g. Yang, Tulsi, Sinema, Manchin) the more right they are likely to "chart" of their actual, stated, "on record" decisions. In other words, "right" is increasingly being interpreted as normal and/or sane (for the most part, it is the radical identitarians and, to a lesser degree, extreme greenies driving this perception).
The "crazies" on the right aren't charting "right" of their position, necessarily, they're typically "off the reservation" types like Alex Jones and Savage.
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:05 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
he best part about all this analysis (and this is increasing despite the MSM's efforts to blunt it) - the less crazy someone outwardly appears (e.g. Yang, Tulsi, Sinema, Manchin) the more right they are likely to "chart" of their actual, stated, "on record" decisions.
Agreed. All the people you listed are people i can listen to and appreciate sometimes, and if that's the left. i can deal with it.
on the other hand, the average democrat would say the same about Bush, Liz Cheney, Romney, and McCain, which I don't like any of.
They probably think Yang, Tulsi, and Sinema are just a bunch of grifters that say nice things to conservatives to get the likes from the MAGA crowd, and i think Romeny, Bush, McCain say nice things to the liberal media to get likes from the progressive crowd.
i'm admitting to being a part of the circular firing squad though.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:They are all in on government control. Still, they are using anarchists (aka "the unfrickables") to cause chaos to get people to give up their freedoms to a growing hegemony. So, both are right...?
Anarchist are the militant arm of the new left which moved on from class struggle and onto other social ideas not constrained by politics.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:14 pm to RedHawk
The strongest evidence that Maher is not a Leftist is that he hates kids.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:16 pm to RedHawk
Bill Maher is a snake and knows Progressives are in control. So this is how he generates buzz. Guaranteed if we had any kind of R’s in leadership he’d be all over them and us like white on rice.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:24 pm to 3nOut
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They probably think Yang, Tulsi, and Sinema are just a bunch of grifters that say nice things to conservatives to get the likes from the MAGA crowd,
Sinema's votes have been a pleasant surprise. Far more moderate than that snake Manchin who only votes conservatively when Schumer gives his blessing.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:24 pm to RedHawk
just because others out-crazy you does not mean that you're not crazy.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:31 pm to RoyalWe
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They are all in on government control. Still, they are using anarchists (aka "the unfrickables") to cause chaos to get people to give up their freedoms to a growing hegemony. So, both are right...?
The new left is schizo... They'll use any means to reach their goals.
At the root is communism but they'll use any tactic to get there. Anarchism, authoritism...
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:34 pm to RedHawk
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I know this is a right wing echo chamber,
People aren’t banned here because they’re left or right. frick off.
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