re: This lady says” Founders are screaming in disgust at the spineless cowards we’ve become“

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Isn't it interesting Republicans have held power as much or more than the Dims over the past 30 years yet it's been the Democratic Socialism agenda that has been steadily implemented. Democratic Socialism through designed and intentional incrementalism.

DC Uniparty Republicans are indeed controlled opposition for the Democratic Socialists and the passive facilitators for the Fundamental Transformation of America via Democratic Socialism.

I think you have it wrong. Giveaways are a ratchet-effect; every time a giveaway is implemented it becomes impossible to reverse. Something for nothing is just an alluring message, and those selling it are going to get their way in times of plenty.

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You just validated my post.

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Count me in… IF I get everything back I’ve paid in with interest.

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That isn't how eliminating welfare programs works.

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However, I think welfare is a better starting point and more in tune to your point is it not?

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I brought up a form of welfare in SS

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In other words the other kind, the kind you actually sign up for and the benefactors have paid very little to nothing in for, is not a good enough of a shiny hook for your trolling.

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See, Penrod?

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There isn't as much of a factual or a logical foundation for arguments and it's more based in a perceived legitimacy or illegitimacy to create the in-out group dynamics. Testing this legitimacy often unravels the dishonest rhetoric and that's why you see people say that it's obsfucation or changing the topic.

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It's true. It was only the final straw, but our founding fathers literally rebelled against the most powerful empire and military force on earth because that empire levied a $.03 tax on tea.

Jefferson, Adams, Washington and Franklin would bitch-slap us relentlessly for what we're allowing these days without a fight.

-Yes, I know very well that it was more than just the 3 cent tax on tea that drove them to rebel, but the fact that it took so little in the big picture only goes to show how much more spine our founding fathers had than us.

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You're just aiming at low hanging-fruit doing this for purposes of the discussion.

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Sooooooooo the most logical. You don’t agree? “Welfare” elimination should begin with the people who have paid nothing toward it?

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You see this as less legitimate and those who use this welfare as the out-group, so it's easy to fit into the virtue signaling.

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No I see it as more fair. Is it not? Isn’t welfare recipients who have paid nothing into the system causing more of the burden? Isn’t that more of the “wealth redistribution”?

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That's not exactly testing the hypothesis and is more engaging in confirmation bias.

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Testing the hypothesis…

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the most logical.

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It's most logical to support a partisan position

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No I see it as more fair. Is it not?

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It's all the same theft to me, especially now. I've received none of the redistributions from any of the welfare programs.

Always trolling, but such a stupid take.

Social Security if left to stand alone separate from the other mismanaged US government financial disasters would be fine.

Why didn’t you propose stopping all aid to foreign countries from the US?

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We can test her theory by floating the policy of eliminating Social Security and observing the reacts.

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I wouldn’t give a shite.

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There isn't as much of a factual or a logical foundation for arguments and it's more based in a perceived legitimacy or illegitimacy to create the in-out group dynamics. Testing this legitimacy often unravels the dishonest rhetoric and that's why you see people say that it's obsfucation or changing the topic.

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It’s not “changing the topic” when a more practical and fair process, compared to your proposal, is pointed out and you reject it because you don’t like that discussion.