re: This is the greatest prison on Earth

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The same people who are advocating for this are in other threads decrying the fact that the government can spy on Americans without a warrant. This would give them the right to lock up Americans for life without any evidence of anything.

These people are being selected by the government and are being jailed without trials - FOR LIFE! Guess who Biden’s administration would be jailing for suspicious activity.

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Effectively, this requires a thought process along the lines of: This treatment is fine for the out-group, only because my in-group would never act in such a way. I can clearly pre-judge the situation and the out-group is clearly guilty, and if my in-group is ever accused of something necessitating jail, I can pre-judge it and declare they do not deserve the same treatment

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And that is part of the typical populist thought process. I get that it's not the definition of populism, but every populist thinks that way. At least in America.

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The same people who are advocating for this are in other threads decrying the fact that the government can spy on Americans without a warrant. This would give them the right to lock up Americans for life without any evidence of anything. These people are being selected by the government and are being jailed without trials - FOR LIFE! Guess who Biden’s administration would be jailing for suspicious activity. I support what some of these Latin American countries are doing to get control of their countries. They are facing a situation that calls for a sort of martial law. But this sort of prison is not what we need here, and the guys who are advocating for it would be appalled to see it in reality. To be sure we need to stop coddling criminals. But our problem is not in the evidence and due process part of the system.

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I love how idealists in comfy America can sit on their ivory tower of ideals and throw stones. Sure anyone can sit by and and think of a thousand and one ways this could be abused. Practically, though, this is saved El Salvador. It was given peace to its citizens. They could be "idealistic" but that wont save their citizens from the misery of being at the mercy of gangs.

Heres a huge hole in your stupid commentary. These are gangsters who rape, steal, and kill.
If the US government did this to peaceful citizens, people here would not tolerate it.

There has been tremendous outcry for the wrongly imprisoned Jan 6 prisoners, and to be frank the reason there hasnt been radical measures taken to free them is because there is hope in the system that another President can be elected that will stop it.

Do you think id sit idly by if my friends and family were being thrown into prisons like this for being political dissidents? You can scoff all you want, but I most assuredly wouldnt.

America would be a much better place if there was more El Salvador justice and less idealistic progressives letting criminals out on the streets

Hard to believe, but true, that the only two things keeping those people from sitting in a house in Texas is the key to the prison, and a ride.

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Looks like the threat of execution isn’t a strong deterrent in this country.

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So what? We're not even talking about execution. These prisoners in El Salvador aren't getting the death penalty.

I agree with your overall point—I'm not willing to trade the civil liberties and protections from government that we have in America for the type of law enforcement that they have implemented in El Salvador—but the fact remains that what they have done has worked to deter violent crime. It's undeniable. They've gone from over 100 murders per 100,000 to fewer than 5 in a very short time. It has worked.

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It’s great to see more small government conservatives

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They aren't. By definition. They are populists on the right.

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but the fact remains that what they have done has worked to deter violent crime.

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Yes, authoritarianism can decrease crime rates

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So what?

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So what?! Are you serious? Have we devolved so much as a society and species that we condone and even celebrate locking our fellow humans In cages even though we know it doesn’t serve much of a purpose?

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These prisoners in El Salvador aren't getting the death penalty.

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the post I replied to encouraged ”putting them down.”

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but the fact remains that what they have done has worked to deter violent crime. It's undeniable. They've gone from over 100 murders per 100,000 to fewer than 5 in a very short time. It has worked.

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Their gun laws are much different from ours. Their society is much different from ours. What works in other countries isn’t guaranteed to work here.

Our carceral system is a total failure. It creates better criminals and more traumatized Americans. It’s just a money pit at this point. Making it more traumatic won’t fix it.

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only two toilets for every 100 men

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That's OK. But for every 100 women you better go with 3 toilets. To really torture the girls make sure there are no mirrors in the bathroom.

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Their gun laws are much different from ours. Their society is much different from ours. What works in other countries isn’t guaranteed to work here.

Our carceral system is a total failure. It creates better criminals and more traumatized Americans. It’s just a money pit at this point. Making it more traumatic won’t fix it.

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Do a little research cubbies on which countries have the lowest crime rates. They all have a few things in common. Punishment works in every country and society. When I was coming up through school you got your arse busted when you screwed up. It was a hell of a deterrent to not screw up. El Salvador has put down the gauntlet. Basically saying FAFO.

I'd say that appears to be inhumane treatment, but these are predator animals. They need to be removed from access to civilization.