re: Things for Christians to consider in regards to immigration.

You people do realize that the kids are simply being used as pawns, right? A lot of sorry, greedy bastards are profiting off of these children.

As the little dog Toto in the Wizard of Oz should have taught all of us, sometimes you have to pull back the curtain in order to expose the charade.

Why should America just sit quietly and allow a bunch of corrupt individuals to play us for fools?

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I was for land mines 20 years ago. I'm still for land mines. No one has convinced me that it won't work. Cheap, efficient and nobody gets hurt.

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People get hurt by landlines every day, over 50 million worldwide, unexploded, some which go back to WW1.

The reason they work in Korea is because no one wants to go north and anyone wishing to go south gets nabbed by the police state long before they reach the mine fields.

All shitty James Bond movies notwithstanding.

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The reason they work in Korea is because no one wants to go north and anyone wishing to go south gets nabbed by the police state long before they reach the mine fields.

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Right. I would be really worried if America built a wall or put in landmines, because I would know that they were meant to keep me in, and not keep people out.

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My attitude about the issue began to change when I listened to a speech by Milton Friedman. His point, which is repeated on the board many times, is you can have open borders or you can have open welfare, but you can't have both.

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That is true, the problem is the left believes you can have both. It's going to come to a head if we don't do something about it.

I say reform both.

LC

This is comparable to the welfare situation in this country. When is a person or country expected to take care of itself or It's own? People that Jesus helped in the bible were of no fault of their own destitute because of a death or infirmity.
In the case of welfare here, people make choices throughout life that affects their future status. Whether that involves getting an education, getting work training, using birth control, choosing a husband, etc. Those decisions and others contribute largely to a persons future situation.
As far as Mexico and other countries, many have adequate natural and human resources to care for their own, but because of historically bad choices and corruption, they have allowed themselves to be relegated to third world status. Some would say its unfair to the citizens that their government officials are corrupt, but these government officials came from their own communities and are made up of their own. Why aren't they responsible for cleansing corruption from their own ranks.
With that being said, would Jesus want to take from people who made good choices and put themselves in position to succeed to give to those who either refuse to help themselves, or those who had a chance to stunt corruption in their midsts but didn't? Giving to those who refuse to work or help themselves is stealing.

While I agree in principle with your perspective, the truth is the liberal progressive Democrats are getting to have their cake and eat it too. The fact is we DO have a welfare state and open borders by design in order for Dems to secure an even larger minority default voting block. The Pubs can pull their pants down and allow amnesty at every opportunity but the the Dems with a compliant media will always make the liberal progressives the champion of minority welfare.

We should use the state to help the children. As Christians we can take control of the state and use our values to help the children. There is nothing wrong with the state helping the children when it is infused with Christian values.

Glenn Beck doesn't care about the children he's just looking to get more members for his cult.

If the folks who believe that we should welcome thos kids into the country would load up and bring a busload into their home, I would be convinced that they are serious. If they are wanting someone to "share the burden", not so much.

No one hates the children that coming here. But they're not entitled to citizenship.

Above and beyond everything, they're a health risk.

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This is comparable to the welfare situation in this country. When is a person or country expected to take care of itself or It's own? People that Jesus helped in the bible were of no fault of their own destitute because of a death or infirmity.
In the case of welfare here, people make choices throughout life that affects their future status. Whether that involves getting an education, getting work training, using birth control, choosing a husband, etc. Those decisions and others contribute largely to a persons future situation.
As far as Mexico and other countries, many have adequate natural and human resources to care for their own, but because of historically bad choices and corruption, they have allowed themselves to be relegated to third world status. Some would say its unfair to the citizens that their government officials are corrupt, but these government officials came from their own communities and are made up of their own. Why aren't they responsible for cleansing corruption from their own ranks.
With that being said, would Jesus want to take from people who made good choices and put themselves in position to succeed to give to those who either refuse to help themselves, or those who had a chance to stunt corruption in their midsts but didn't? Giving to those who refuse to work or help themselves is stealing.

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I'm not disputing the merits of the welfare state. I think all taxation is theft.

I'm simply speaking about the Christian response to immigrants, which should be down out of a love for Jesus, and not letting the irresponsibility and duplicity of the state sully our attitudes.