re: There’s still a lot of people who believe Biden won straight up….I have a question for you

I am still waiting for a logical explanation of how Biden garnered 20 million more votes than Obama while winning roughly half the counties Obama won.

Keep in mind Biden didn't even win the majority of counties in Illinois where Obama did and helped him record the largest vote tally in history (no one even questions this for a reason).

Obama was very popular given his orating abilities, great smile, and a well run campaign. Plus the media had just trashed Bush for 8 years and Barrack was promising something different. Also all the self guilt white people could feel good about helping a black man win the presidency.

Biden had none of that. So how did Biden get 20M more votes than the guy who had sold out rallies and was fawned over by the media 24/7?

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Everyone I know voted for Biden

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Well that settles it then. I doubt you’ve surrounded yourself with people that are robots just like you right?

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So how does someone like Biden get 81 million votes and Dem voters don't want him to run for a second term in less than two years?

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No, it makes perfect sense. Get 81 million votes in 2020. No one wants you to even run halfway through 2022.

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Trump is disliked. A lot and by several different demographic groups. Nobody rallies the Liberals to vote like Trump does. People will vote just to vote against him. This isn’t much different than what happened to Hillary in 2016. She is unlikable and people either voted against her or stayed home. That’s what happened to Trump in 2020. Trump will lose just as bad or worse in 2024. He is essentially unelectable at this point. You can whine and make up all the excuses you want to justify his loss. His approval ratings were right where Biden’s are right now and that was with the economy flourishing and inflation at lows. What does that tell you? The guy is simply not liked by a lot of people. Not because of his policies but because of his behavior and mouth.

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Meh. I think you're wrong, but whatever. The election was still a sham. Nothing will change that.

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Nobody acts the way that motherfricker acted when he was running for his second term and still expects to win.

Face it. The guy wanted out and that's just the way it is.

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I guess he still wants out by that logic. He has one or two rallies a month as a normal citozen. Which, BTW, are breaking attendance records everywhere he goes.

No one believes Joe won, no one. I talk with hard lefties that know they cheated, and just laugh at Repubs who don’t game the system. You can’t win if you have morals these days, you have to play to win. If there’s no consequences for cheating, and there wasn’t in 2020, then you have to step up your game. As Bear Bryant says, “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying “

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Do you think Biden wins without several swing states changing their voting process without the state legislature’s authority?

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No.

But that doesn't make it "fraud"...although it can definitely lead to fraud. We'll never know either way how legit that election was.

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Were you the one they were talking about in the commercial: “This is your brain on drugs”? No one, I mean no one can be this inherently out of touch with reality. I truly feel sorry for because you actually believe the drivel you post.

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That poster does NOT believe that.

What you are seeing is the major leftist trait - they are LIARS.

This is the only sane answer. Republicans always play catch up. The " steal" happened at least 6 mos before election day. People here are bitching about stuff that happened election night, etc.

The process is what won it for Biden. Democrats are political animals , they are forever trying to gain an advantage. They had lawyers out in 2019 making sure they had a groundwork in place. In Arizona, they worked for years to make sure they got control of Maricopa County. In GA they paid attention to demographic trends in Atlanta area counties like Gwinnett and Forsyth. In Michigan they realized that they just needed to increase turnout in Kent (Grand Rapids) and set about doing so in 2017.

Republicans since W have not had anyone who pays attention to little things that mean a lot. Karl Rove did and so did Tom Delay and the Democrats hated them because they were effective. I've said for years that the greatest victory the Democrats had was getting the indictment on Delay 15 - 16 years ago. Those two knew how to win elections before a single vote was cast.

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I don't understand how people can't comprehend this.

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They don't want to admit it but they know. Being able to vote from your couch required literally no effort at all. That is how Biden got 81 million votes and it is how Trump got almost 75 million. The difference in those numbers is Trump's divisiveness and how unlikable he is to:

Moderates
Independents
Suburban women

The very same people I just listed disliked Hillary in 2016 and it is why Trump won.

All Trump had to do was keep his mouth shut and reduce his Twitter usage by 50% and he wins in 2020. But, he couldn't do that. He had to get into internet flame wars with people like Bette Midler and Joy Behar

Trump has nobody to blame but himself.