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re: There is nothing wrong with the 2nd amendment. People defending it, terribly flawed
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:50 am to goatmilker
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:50 am to goatmilker
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I would imagine the revenge when dems are back in power will go far beyond what you imagine will happen.
Which is why it's important politically to beat them to the punch before they attain power again. If legislation is passed that is palatable to both gun owners and the middle of the road people it will be a much more difficult sell to pass hard leftist legislation when they resume power. It won't be deemed necessary by anyone other than the far political left and will be met with derision by the general public.
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Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:51 am to Powerman
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Like I said, it's why you have to be the proactive one so you aren't playing defense against an emotional argument
There are exactly zero laws that can be passed that if another shooting occurs, the argument will have changed
ZERO
And you know it
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:51 am to upgrayedd
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Once again, we'll run into the racism and disparity as well as the "We have too many people in jail" crowd.
Then you immediately turn it back on them and accuse them of not caring about black lives
Dems are going to pull the race card. Who cares? Fight fire with fire.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:52 am to Powerman
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Which is why it's important politically to beat them to the punch before they attain power again
This assumes a falsity
It assumes that if we pass something and another shooting happens, something in the debate after that shooting will have changed
This is provably false
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:53 am to ShortyRob
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There are exactly zero laws that can be passed that if another shooting occurs, the argument will have changed
ZERO
And you know it
But it certainly lessens the strength of that argument. They can't accuse you of "doing nothing" if you've done something and were proactive about it.
The longer absolutely nothing is done, the more the left wing argument will start to resonate with people in the middle.
And you know it
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:53 am to Powerman
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Propose your own solutions and let them play defense.
As has previously been pointed out in this thread...
...this does no good when you’re dealing with people who are using emotional appeals to make their argument. “Playing defense” means nothing to them because they aren’t concerned with the logic of their position.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:53 am to Powerman
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I was going for brevity
This is how you do brief: Shall not be infringed.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:53 am to Powerman
quote:...but your plan...
The way to mitigate that is to propose your own legislation, get it passed, and if you can't get it passed throw the dems under the bus
quote:You poorly thought out plan will actually remove impediments to the left's ultimate goal.
will backfire when democrats are back in power.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:54 am to Powerman
60 year drug war and drugs are cheaper and more powerful than ever. They can't stop drugs or the influx of illegal immigrants into the country.
Their thinking is far more flawed than any right wing lunatic gun nut.
How will the government stop guns from getting to the criminals? They could enact the strongest gun laws on the planet and they would be powerless to stop criminals from having guns.
Until the anti-gun folks come up with a legitimate viable enforceable solution, they can frick right the hell off.
And for the record, I don't own a gun.
Their thinking is far more flawed than any right wing lunatic gun nut.
How will the government stop guns from getting to the criminals? They could enact the strongest gun laws on the planet and they would be powerless to stop criminals from having guns.
Until the anti-gun folks come up with a legitimate viable enforceable solution, they can frick right the hell off.
And for the record, I don't own a gun.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:54 am to Powerman
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Could you possibly be any more self absorbed
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Reply by Powerman
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:55 am to ShortyRob
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This assumes a falsity
It assumes that if we pass something and another shooting happens, something in the debate after that shooting will have changed
This is provably false
No matter what is passed it's pretty reasonable to not expect instant results
It could take an entire generation to start seeing the benefits of hypothetically effective legislation
I think that's something that the general public would understand
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:55 am to Powerman
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The problem is all the rednecks are so tone dead and stupid that they wouldn't even consider this winning strategy.
The winning strategy is not giving another inch to the Prog/Dim leftists that would like all guns melted down....., of course that would not include the guns that the Prog/Dim cultural elites retain for their armed security services. We rednecks love it when you Dim Wits underestimate our intelligence and resolve. You’ll learn baw!
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:57 am to Powerman
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But it certainly lessens the strength of that argumen
Not in the slightest
Come on man. You weren't born yesterday
They argued after the last shooting that "nothing" had been done
To them, if it happens again, then you "did nothing"
quote:There it is
The longer absolutely nothing is done,
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:57 am to Powerman
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It could take an entire generation to start seeing the benefits of hypothetically effective legislation
I think that's something that the general public would understand
Good Lord, you cannot be this naive. 
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:58 am to Powerman
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But it certainly lessens the strength of that argument. They can't accuse you of "doing nothing" if you've done something and were proactive about it.
How about if we want to do nothing further,and are decided to stand pat?
Why would we want them to think that we wanted to do something?
The statement has to be,it's gone as far as it's going to.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:58 am to Powerman
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They can't accuse you of "doing nothing"
There have been many got damn laws passed all over the country geez man. Its not 1776 is it? Gun restriction laws, checks, punishments, zones etc and yet you keep going back to "nothing is being done" B.S..
Its the never ending "not enough is being done" argument that is all around these days.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:58 am to Powerman
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Many 2nd amendment advocates don't want to hear about ANY gun control measures even if it's ones that 99% of the population would have no problem with
Because we understand that if we give an inch to the left, they'll take a mile.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:58 am to Powerman
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Then you immediately turn it back on them and accuse them of not caring about black lives
Dems are going to pull the race card. Who cares? Fight fire with fire.
Yeah, that'll go over well
A rapper was chastised by his own people enough to where he bailed on a prison reform meeting
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:58 am to TigerMyth36
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60 year drug war and drugs are cheaper and more powerful than ever. They can't stop drugs or the influx of illegal immigrants into the country.
Ending the war on drugs would be a big push to mitigating gun violence and a win that the republicans could really boast about
And it would certainly buy them a lot of political points
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:59 am to Powerman
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No matter what is passed it's pretty reasonable to not expect instant results
I've seen no evidence whatsoever to show they think this
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It could take an entire generation to start seeing the benefits of hypothetically effective legislation
Which means that the argument after any deal will look EXACTLY LIKE am argument without a deal
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