re: There are intelligent people who oppose President Trump

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To echo slackster a bit, I would want you to define what it means to oppose Trump. Does it mean intentional obstruction of anything he does purely as a form of opposition, or is being at all critical of him and his policies sufficient to be considered an opponent?

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Not necessarily obstructionist, but more than just critical. What bothers a person enough to make them vote against Trump in 2020?

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So when McCain votes no, it's his fault,

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It was McCains fault and you know that

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but when tax cuts are passed, Trump is the fearless leader? 

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Got a link to me saying this. McConnell and Ryan among others deserve the credit which Trump acknowledged

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What measurables bother you the most about the first 2 years of the Trump Presidency?

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i don't think Trump has been the worst President in the history of the world, for example the right to try bill is a good thing.

That said:

#1 I don't think economic shortermism via pilling on the debt and the deficit is a good thing for our country long term. One of Obama's biggest failures was in 2008 he ran on getting the deficit under control and then immediately went the other way we he got into office. Trump has actually made this worse incredibly.

#2 I don't think Trump's challenge to NATO or the post-1945 attempt to organize the world around collective security, free trade, open societies, non-zero-sum diplomacy, and multicultural democracies is well thought through. While I don't think the post WW2 order should continue into infinity just because, and maybe some aspects are outdated, it at least appears that Trump more admires the eastern European strongman approach, which has proven to be worse in literally every way.

#3 While the democrats didn't necessarily handle it the right way themselves, ramming through a partisan activist justice to tSCOTUS with only 51 votes is problematic for the country on a lot of levels.

#4 His environmental policy is a disaster, and not just for climate change reasons. For example: LINK

#5 John Bolton


That's just off the top of my head, i'm sure i could come up with way more.

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I don't know man. He's destroyed his family business and everything he does seems to be for country. No doubt he wants to be thanked and patted on the back for it like a narcissist but he still acts purely for country

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This is the essence of the Capitalist Ideology; that acting in self-interest essentially benefits the Collective. Trump being a Narcissist and serving the positive interest of our Nation, are not mutually-exclusive. Same with (true) Religion/Religious Principles...do the right thing and you get good karma in the next life. Of course - given the Gospel of Love/Mercy - simply doing the right thing for personal prosperity, falls short of the essential 'prime directive' of Jesus' Gospel. Love being that PD.

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The irony of a request for an “intelligent” discussion involving anyone that actually supports the lunacy of the left, progressive world.

I can’t automatically accept that people that support Clinton, Obama, Warren, Booker, Harris, Schumer, Pelosi, Durbin, Blumenthal, etc. are “intelligent”. I would otherwise characterize them as “emotional”, “radical” or “misguided.”

That’s the problem with your question. Perhaps there are libertarians and misguided nevertrumpers that can properly discuss policy, but not a left progressive supporter. It’s all or nothing for that crowd.

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Gee I can't imagine why political discourse in this country is where it is when we have people literally saying the other team is wholly incapable of intelligent thought or discussion

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The irony of a request for an “intelligent” discussion involving anyone that actually supports the lunacy of the left, progressive world.

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Ah, the simplistic worldview that anyone who fails to worship GEOTUS simply MUST be a Leftist lunatic.

Trump is spending money like a drunk sailor
He will never balance the budget--never balanced his business budgets and he wont do the govt.

He's not that wealthy that's why he hides his worth from you. Most the things with his name on them are licensing deals and the real owners would love to get out of them.

They dont want his stink on them.

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SDVTiger

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straight to personal attacks, eh?

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#3 While the democrats didn't necessarily handle it the right way themselves, ramming through a partisan activist justice to tSCOTUS with only 51 votes is problematic for the country on a lot of levels.

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While I can agree with your other points (especially Bolton...hate that dude), this one is laughable.

Especially when you consider how many Republicans voted for RBG, Sotomayor, and Kagan. All three who are extremely partisan.

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SDVTiger

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straight to personal attacks, eh?

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It is what he does. If you have ever seen him engage in a substantive discussion, you are one ahead of me.