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re: The World Watches How We Respond to Ukraine - No Support Will Turn Other Allies Against Us

Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted by Figgy
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:01 pm to
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The world watches us, both allies and enemies.


Yeah, okay I'm with you here.

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China capitalizes on America’s failure to support Ukraine.


I think this very likely to be true too.

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If they exercise full control of the South China Sea, that will completely cutoff Japan.


That's goofy. The Pacific is really really big and Japan is reconstituting their navy and other armed forces. Which is a damn good thing for our side. There is no naval blockade of Japan that would work. There would be a lot of new artificial reefs created with all of the ships that would be sunk.

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That will affect world trade and our way of life beyond a point most Americans realize.


That's fair. This is also why we need to bring manufacturing back to our shores. Especially so for things like medical supplies and defense. I hate that India is creating much of our medicine. There is no excuse for that at all.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:01 pm to
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It’s fun to watch leftists demonize colonialism say we should colonialise Ukraine.



10 years ago Dems were anti American hegemony.

Now, theyre all for it.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:03 pm to
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The World Watches How We Respond to Ukraine - No Support Will Turn Other Allies Against Us


well RFK you better hurry up and sell your house, and empty your bank account immediately, and give it all to Zelenski
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 1:05 pm
Posted by RFK
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:03 pm to
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Russia has a land bridge to Crimea. That was the goal, not to advance into Wurope and take it over or whatever fantasies that have been places in your head
Interesting.

Russia marched an entire Corps to within 20 miles of Kyiv before they were beaten back and retreated in March 2022.

I guess this waste of fuel, ammunition, and lives was a part of Putin’s 4-D chess war plan?

If so, he’s about as good a military strategist as Hitler was.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:03 pm to
People hyper focused on what non Americans think of America is the reason we are in the mess we are in today. If the world could do it any better, they would be America.

Read the Constitution. We don’t owe anyone anything. If dudes in tracksuit countries wanna war, go for it. If sand people want to fight over magic dirt another 3000 years, great.

We could have a wall 50 feet high by 30 feet wide stretching out halfway into the Pacific and Atlantic surrounding the US with the money we spent on dumb shite countries with no American interest whatsoever.

What’s coming next is bad. At our lowest point, we will resort back to tribalism.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by Nosevens
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:04 pm to
They don’t support financially as required already but let’s worry that we need to cough up more
Posted by Klark Kent
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:05 pm to
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They are not a third world corrupt country. They are a formidable ally who we promised to support.


why?


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We have been training Ukrainians since 2014


why?
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27671 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:05 pm to
Ok. How much? How much do you people want? Give me a dollar amount. How much to get you people to shut the frick up about Ukraine? And it'd better not be "whatever it takes".

A hundred billion to never hear about Ukraine again?

Two hundred and fifty billion?
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
78 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:05 pm to
The only way Russia is getting defeated is if NATO/US forces directly enter the war. And, even then, it would lead to a massive loss of life on both sides, and potentially lead to a nuclear conflict. No thanks.

What the mainstream media fails to tell you is that could have been prevented with diplomacy, non violation of the Minsk Accords. Not to mention Nuland and the war pigs involvement in the Maidan revolution.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:06 pm to
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China capitalizes on America’s failure to support Ukraine. They fill Taiwan and Philippine radio airwaves with propaganda

Oh great. Democrats are ready to bring back Vietnam war policy.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:08 pm to
Are you going to imply that Hitler and WW11 are in line for the Russian Ukraine conflict?
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:08 pm to
Close our borders first then we’ll talk.
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:09 pm to
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Look at how Ukraine has thwarted Russia’s advance.

They are not a third world corrupt country. They are a formidable ally who we promised to support.

We have been training Ukrainians since 2014.


Russia, at any point, could escalate this and take out Kyiv's leadership, or just flatten the city. As such, they have been pushing slowly to the Dnieper River and will likely take Kharkiv, and perhaps, Odessa.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 1:14 pm
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
4731 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:09 pm to
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We have been training Ukrainians since 2014.


According to the media, the majority of them are dead, right?
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:10 pm to
Support the war effort yourself: go and volunteer to fight in Zelensky's army.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:11 pm to
To late, the world already saw Biden shite all over our Afghan 'allies' when he bailed out.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261297 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:11 pm to
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Russia marched an entire Corps to within 20 miles of Kyiv before they were beaten back and retreated in March 2022.


Ukraine cannot win without a lot more men. Its a meatgrinder, a battle of attrition.

You folks just dont understand what this means. Your money aint doing much.
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:23 pm to
No one expects China to come save them militarily, so there isn’t a great replacement there. It’s also not the US’s job to save a non-NATO member. There are also other great nations such as England, Germany, France to name a few that are involved and can always step up more if they would like to.

Australia isn’t watching this thinking anything of us. Australia is one of our closest allies, I would say the 5 Eyes are all our closest allies since we’re still part of the anglosphere. Australia also has allowed Chinese money to buy up an incredible amount of real estate and assets in Australia so they created their own problems that have zero to do with us — and they are fully aware of that. It’s in any smaller nations best interest to play with the big powers and get what they can out of all of us. I don’t see the issue.

I’ll tell you what the biggest problem is, it’s not Ukraine — it’s incompetence in our leadership. We have had awful Presidents, awful politicians, awful at being world police. No one cares about Ukraine compared to that. Just another drop in the bucket of our incompetence. I also think most would agree we have been extremely generous w/ Ukraine (and to Israel as well).
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