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The video game blame and why the GOP should stay out

Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:53 pm
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 10:53 pm

I generally compromise with the GOP but the video game thing is really asinine.

We have violent films and VERY sexually explicit music, but we always want to attack a medium that is inherently meant for entertainment.

Games have a rating system. Just like movies and music. The ESRB have been around for over 30 years.

This is the one issue where I have come to a total disagreement with Trump. Its very ironic since ALOT of avid gamers like Trump.

Why he is involved in this obviously flawed logic. The real reason for the violence are lazy parents and a lack of cohesion with our governments department.

Does he really need a scape goat? He's dealt with worse than this.

Bored on a Friday night, yeah I know.
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:04 pm to
My wife and I are guilty parents. We buy our 13 year old games rated for mature. There is really nothing they can do about kids and games because if my kid asks for a game I will purchase it
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49278 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:14 pm to
Blaming video games and movies was something I thought died out a decade ago
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260547 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:14 pm to
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We have violent films and VERY sexually explicit music, but we always want to attack a medium that is inherently meant for entertainment.


I put the blame on shitty parenting for allowing adolescent kids easy access to this stuff.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20868 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:15 pm to
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The real reason for the violence are lazy parents


But that would require us to, like, judge other people.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
36180 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:41 pm to
I disagree.

Video games are MEANT for children.
Mature music and movies are intended for adults that children pick up.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:48 pm to
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My wife and I are guilty parents. We buy our 13 year old games rated for mature. There is really nothing they can do about kids and games because if my kid asks for a game I will purchase it





Maturity isn't necessarily tied to age. As long as you tell your kid the difference between right and wrong.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68235 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:50 pm to
If people's actions weren't influenced to varying degrees by what they see, billions wouldn't be spent on advertising each year.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15714 posts
Posted on 3/9/18 at 11:53 pm to
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If people's actions weren't influenced to varying degrees by what they see, billions wouldn't be spent on advertising each year.


This is a simple but very solid point in the debate.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:00 am to

The rating system for games is as follows.

E for Everyone

T for teen (12 and up)

M for Mature (17 and up)

A o (adults only, never sold in public stores).

There are variations but this is the system. Not sure how old you are sir or ma'am, but games have become vastly more complex in terms of narrative and action since the Pac Man or Tetris era.

They are basically movies requiring you to actually play as the main character (not all of them, but most of the AAA titles cost millions to produce)
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260547 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:05 am to
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As long as you tell your kid the difference between right and wrong.


Well watching violence isn't going to make your kid a murderer but in may desensitize them to things. As the gatekeeper it is the parents responsibility to monitor and mederate activities. I suppose in the end it comes down to values though and that's up to each set of parents
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:07 am to
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people's actions weren't influenced to varying degrees by what they see, billions wouldn't be spent on advertising each year.


But banning isn't the way to solve the issue.

We banned alcohol using very similar arguments. Maybe Trump and the GOP should look how that turned out.

I agree that people shouldn't solely rely on games. But politicians will attack anything to get more votes. They just want a scape goat to avoid facing the reality that humans have agency and will act outside social norms occasionally.

And these other industries aren't any better. Real talk, Hollywood just wants to reduce its competition since they want people to go to their trash movies.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68235 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:26 am to
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But banning isn't the way to solve the issue.
I wasn't supporting a banning.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:30 am to
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There is really nothing they can do about kids and games because if my kid asks for a game I will purchase it


People like you shouldn’t have children
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
5838 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:46 am to
Obama had these meetings as well. Nothing is going to happen. It is just a polical stunt.
This post was edited on 3/10/18 at 12:47 am
Posted by Smart Post
Member since Feb 2018
3539 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:50 am to
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My wife and I are guilty parents. We buy our 13 year old games rated for mature. There is really nothing they can do about kids and games

You sound like a doormat. Ye shall reap what you sow.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16228 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 12:54 am to
Shitty parents are shitty parents. It's not the fault of video games.

Shitty parents need to be more involved in the lives of their children. Stop letting tv, the internet and video games raise their kids.
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
1511 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 1:30 am to
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If people's actions weren't influenced to varying degrees by what they see, billions wouldn't be spent on advertising each year.


There still isn’t any correlation between violent games and any increase in a kid wanting to commit a violent act. Homicides and suicides by teens are at some of its lowest numbers in 50 year. The drop even started when the violent video game craze happened in the early 90s which led to the creation of the ESRB.

The majority of games out now have players killing others with guns yet as more gun games have flooded the market and games have become more realistic the gun related homicides and suicides among teens has continued to drop.

https://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/70_fig1.jpg

Posted by RazorBroncs
Harding Bisons Fan
Member since Sep 2013
13540 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 1:46 am to
Ive always countered the video argument with the fact that there's many MANY types of video games and any hardcore gamer has a multitude of them.

Admittedly I grew up on games like Goldeneye, Star Fox, and Mario Kart; but at NO point did I feel desensitized to shooting Natalia or Oddjob, flying a spaceship with Falco and Slippy and blowing up enemies, or shooting banana peels out of my tailpipe so the car behind me would spin out and drop a few places.

Do people not realize how ridiculous it is to assume that a kid can't tell the difference between game and real life? It would be one thing if we were dealing in 4-8 year olds only, but those aren't the kids shooting up schools. The ones doing the shooting are troubled in SO MANY other ways than video games, how about we figure out ways to help with those deep-seeded issues instead of spinning our wheels fighting the video game boogeyman??
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42596 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 2:43 am to
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The real reason for the _________ are lazy parents


This is the reason for every problem civilization has ever had.

If there is going to be an attack on a completely inanimate, inert object like a firearm for violence, then why not also attack interactive objects like violent video games which ever more accurately train vulnerable minds in the 'thill and excitement' of indiscriminately mowing down scores of people.

Firearms have been around for half a millennia, and this recent phenomenon of mass slaughter has only arisen in this current 'information age' era.

Of course, all this boils down to a deterioration of our culture, And that is always on the backs of the parents who raise the next generation. Trying to combat the effects of poor parentage without addressing the epidemic of single parent households, aka illegitimacy, is nothing more than putting bandaids on eruptions of cancer.

These problems came about in response to decades of attacks on the fundamental foundation of civilization = the nuclear family. Until those attacks are stopped the problems will only get worse. And at best it will take a century to undo the damage already done.

Whenever you meet a DEMOCRAT, you can personally thank them for the fruits of their handiwork.
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