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The USDA is Getting Into the Hospital Business

Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:45 am
Posted by DingLeeBerry
Member since Oct 2014
10895 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:45 am
Quite the tangled web being woven

Washington Pledges Funds for Wyoming Hospital That Challenged Private Equity Residents fought against cuts by planning new facility

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When the only hospital in a small Wyoming city cut services like childbirth, residents fought back by hatching a plan to build their own. The unusual effort just got a major boost from the U.S. Agriculture Department, which pledged $37 million of loans for the project. The loan commitment represents the bulk of the financing needed to build a new hospital in Riverton, Wyo., after a yearslong effort.


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The commitment comes despite lobbying by the operator of Riverton’s only current hospital, which is backed by private-equity giant Apollo Global Management Inc. The hospital operator, SageWest Health Care, argued in letters to the USDA that a new hospital was unnecessary in Riverton and would undercut its existing operations. The USDA effectively rejected that argument by approving the loan request.


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“If we want rural people in rural places to thrive, they need access to quality healthcare,” said Xochitl Torres Small, the USDA’s undersecretary for rural development. “This is an example of a project that is completely people- and community-driven.”


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At the heart of Riverton residents’ concerns were moves by SageWest to consolidate some services, including childbirth, at another facility approximately 30 miles away. The new hospital would seek to upgrade emergency-room offerings and recruit more specialists.


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The Riverton group is budgeting around $53 million in all to get the new hospital off the ground. Some of the money is set to come from local donors, while the Eastern Shoshone Native American tribe has pledged the land on which the new hospital would be built.


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Even with the USDA loan commitment, the group still has about $10 million left to raise before construction can begin. Mr. McGuffey said they are now targeting additional funds from Wyoming state appropriations, among other sources. The USDA loan “allows us to keep going forward,” he said. “This is the biggest hurdle that we’ve come up against.”


Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
26610 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:57 am to
Why not, all federal hospital systems treat people like cattle anyway..
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
7544 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:02 am to
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Xochitl


Am I the only one that had to look up the pronunciation of this name? Sounds like .... sow · cheel
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:06 am to
Rural healthcare is a mess. I dealt with CAHs for several years while I held ownership in a software company geared toward them.

The reason most don't do L&D (labor & delivery) is a combination of liability and finding practitioners willing to be in rural America. The third problem is most of rural America is aging and well beyond baby having years so the volume of babies is one or two a month. No money to be had there.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:21 am to
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The reason most don't do L&D (labor & delivery) is a combination of liability and finding practitioners willing to be in rural America. The third problem is most of rural America is aging and well beyond baby having years so the volume of babies is one or two a month. No money to be had there.


Is there much involved in having a baby that needs a bunch of tech? Seems like the world got thru it with lack of software for the majority of mankind. I guess I'm wondering what does a hospital need that it doesn't already have, to deliver a baby.

Obviously barring the ones with major complications that will most likely be sent to a major city anyway.
Posted by Northshoretiger87
Member since Apr 2016
3693 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:29 am to
This Republic was never meant to act under so much control of the federal government. With how much control the federal government has and the amount of money dispensed, there’s no way taxes should be so high.

Liberalism wins again.

FJB LGB
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
4430 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:49 am to
The USDA has been in the hospital business for decades. Just FYI.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95747 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:52 am to
Why USDA and not HUD or DHH?

HUD at least has Urban Development in the job description while Health and Hospitals is in a different department’s description.


The feds should stay the frick out of this to begin with but putting this under Ag seems stupid as hell.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95747 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:57 am to
Yeah, there really is.

Actual delivery doesn’t necessarily need much tech. Prenatal care? Lots of tech such as sonograms and other diagnostic tools.

And a lack of those tools could lead to a lawsuit depending on the results of a pregnancy.


If the child didn’t develop properly for whatever reason and it wasn’t caught before birth, lawsuit.

If there was a difficult delivery and the baby had lingering damage (partial facial paralysis, impeded growth, etc), lawsuit.

Etc.

It is why a lot of specialties don’t work in small states because being one of the few providers in that field means that any bad cases in the entire state frick your malpractice rates.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10146 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 10:37 am to
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I guess I'm wondering what does a hospital need that it doesn't already have, to deliver a baby.

Revenue.

A small rural hospital that only delivers say 5-10 kids a month won't break even on the costs of doctors and nurses needed full time. Not counting equipment and liability.

If they open a second hospital there the first will close it's doors as it will become a money pit.
Posted by lachellie
LALA Land
Member since Aug 2012
1013 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 10:41 am to
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I guess I'm wondering what does a hospital need that it doesn't already have, to deliver a baby.


A qualified and competent OB/GYN surgeon in case of the need to perform an emergency C-section safely, meaning mother and baby survive the operation.

If a neonate needed intensive care it could be airlifted to a hospital with that level of care. But an emergency C-section must be performed within mere minutes, possibly seconds, to save the baby.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15724 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:00 am to
USDA has been making loans for quite some time.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:01 am to
Soylent Green is people!
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57275 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:35 am to
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Why USDA and not HUD or DHH?

Because they are trying to hide it. This is clearly a DHHS function, but gets a lot more scrutiny.

Remember when democrats lost their
mind when Trump tried to use $6 million in DOD funds for the wall? This is larger and far less related to what Congress appropriated.

Congress should be pizzed the Executive branch is doing this.
Posted by BearsFan
Member since Mar 2016
1283 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:41 am to
Used to general practice doctors or Family practice doctors delivered babies in small towns commonly. Now due to desire for specialization of care and concerns about liability, that isn’t very common. So instead no one delivers in those towns. I get that OB’s are better suited for when things get complicated, but people also get mad when services aren’t offered. What’s the answer?
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 11:42 am
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12717 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:44 am to
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Why USDA and not HUD or DHH?

HUD at least has Urban Development

But USDA has RURAL Development...

What about Wyoming says "Urban" to you?

Not defending this, because it does seem like the wrong agency, but there is an agency within USDA called Rural Development. However, they normally deal with housing and water, not hospitals.
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 11:45 am
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 3:01 pm to
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Is there much involved in having a baby that needs a bunch of tech?


On a normal delivery, there is an in utero fetal monitor, ultrasound, and other items. If there is complications there gear goes up a lot. Most rural hospitals don't have the equipment nor expertise to operate them. Sometimes the more difficult deliveries do not present until "game day". Take for instance a baby that ends up strangulated with the cord.

The world got by for a long time without tech but they "got by" with a lot higher infant mortality at birth.

Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 3:06 pm to
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The third problem is most of rural America is aging and well beyond baby having years so the volume of babies is one or two a month. No money to be had there.


That may be the case where you are, but certainly not in rural LA. Most births here are to Medicaid patients, which basically means, it costs the parents nothing, and since they are almost always on welfare, they receive more money each month.

What the government subsidizes, it encourages.
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