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re: The US spends a lot of money per student for public education and we are worse for it.

Posted on 4/23/23 at 10:42 am to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 4/23/23 at 10:42 am to
US education system is run by a mob called Teacher's Unions.

Their interest and goals aren't educating children, but obtaining as much power as possible.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29232 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 10:44 am to
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Utah spends less per student than almost any other state with better results.

California is one of the worst performing, despite spending a shite load of money.

You can't fix education when half your population doesn't value it.



One of the best ways to reduce wasteful spending is to eliminate small municipal school districts. Those small municipal systems may only have 2 or 3 small schools. Some counties have a total of 3 or 4 school systems. So that means the taxpayers pay rent on 3 or 4 buildings for district offices, the salaries of 3 or 4 school superintendents, deputy superintendents, payroll personnel, etc, etc, etc. Just consolidate them all into the county system...it would save millions of dollars.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42653 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 11:01 am to
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The educations system will only be as good as the students you have in the system.


That’s exactly what teachers and the teachers unions tell you when you attack them for low test scores.

Now when they want pay raises they will say that if you raise pay you will attract better teachers and scores will go up.

I’ve come to the conclusion that raising pay doesn’t help because like you said there are too many crappy families who don’t care about school.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128851 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 11:14 am to
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The cost no one knows about is administration. You can walk around any districts 'central office' and find larger staffs than you expected with most employees taking breaks in their cafeteria area.


Yes and no. There’s too many administrators. But if you distributed 50% of central office administrative salaries to the budget, it wouldn’t be a large impact.

A school with an overall budget of $20M might see an annual savings of $300k-$500k. That’s significant from a budgetary perspective. But reallocating that money to other things wouldn’t change much. (Still do it.)

I would guess that somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of building principals spend the vast majority of their time handling discipline for the feral children disguised as students.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55769 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 11:15 am to
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I would guess that somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of building principals spend the vast majority of their time handling discipline for the feral children disguised as students


Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117599 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:16 pm to
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But if you distributed 50% of central office administrative salaries to the budget, it wouldn’t be a large impact.


I can't speak for every central office. But I went to the Caddo office when I lived in Shreveport. The central office was larger than some schools. Their cafeteria could seat over 150 staffers easily.
The other thing you have to remember about cost is the concept of efficiency. These are govt employees. They can't be fired. They work as little as possible so that more people are hired. Those people are usually unqualified idiots who fit a racial quota or they are 'my cousin.'

EDIT: Well, hell, this video from Reason TV just came out.
You only need to see the first 2 minutes and he explains that school cost increases are not due to teacher salary. They are due to administration staff hires:

reason tv
This post was edited on 4/23/23 at 2:34 pm
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16880 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:28 pm to
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The Left want to do for healthcare what they've done for education. It'll be different next time!
They've always compared other countries free healthcare vs the US but are always strangely silent when someone says let's compare education because we spend much much more and get much worse results. Doesn't fit the narrative of government solution actually working
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20076 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:31 pm to
They need to have rules in place that allow them to separate the good kids from the bad. The bad go into a military style education.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
35101 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:58 pm to
As long as the LBJ effect is allowed to continue - nothing will improve.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26542 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 2:03 pm to
The Amish kids test among the top in the state of PA. Their elementary schools are taught by JHS and HS girls.

America is often compared to Europe's mono-cultures. Comparing American's of European ancestors to their European culture of origin doesn't produce significant differences. They have to mix in our large block of under-achievers to paint that picture.

America is still the world's leading force in innovation, so don't let Biden near that!
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26542 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 2:06 pm to
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You can't fix education when half your population doesn't value it.


This is the intractable part of the problem that schools can't change. Charter schools take a bypass around it.

Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23831 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:50 pm to
The simple solution for many of our problems today is allow states more control. Get the federal government out of our business.

quote:

What is the true meaning of sovereign?
: one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty. : one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere. :


The Constitution states each state is its own sovereign state! Really simple.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
21232 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:58 pm to
It takes real money for 5 levels of administration devoted to DEI.

Each city school system needs about 50-75 people just working on DEI.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 4:00 pm to
Get government out of education.
Problem solved.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115490 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 4:01 pm to
you can track the decline in public education in the USA to a specific date:

October 17, 1979 - when the Department of Education was founded

other key dates:

April 20, 1971 - date Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education was issued (authorized forced bussing to integrate schools [up to that point, schools {and school boards} were only required to end segregation, not to actively integrate schools).

November 29, 1975 (when PL 94-142 became law LINK ("mainstreaming")


Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26542 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 4:20 pm to
Return on investment of federal dollars for contemporary educrats is extremely poor.

Amish elementary students test among the top in the state of PA. They are taught by junior high and HS girls, not expensive, administratively bloated educrats.


Posted by Message Board User
Member since Dec 2006
6956 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 4:23 pm to
Make every school a charter school and enact 100% school choice everywhere.

So parents will be able to choose if little Johnny wants to go to a school where they teach the basics or do they want to send little Johnny to a school that teaches woke bullshite.
Posted by theagent39
Member since May 2020
227 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 4:50 pm to
Our public school system has become nothing more than a very badly broken spineless baby sitters and leftist loon social engineering ideology indoctrination cesspool
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42156 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 4:54 pm to
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Problem solved.

There's no educating people who themselves don't want to be educated. A certain group of people in this country equate being educated with "selling out". And they've turned our public schools into war zones, specifically because we believe everyone should go to school. Let these soon-to-be inmates prepare for their futures elsewhere, so they don't prevent others from learning.
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