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The Urban Family Exodus Is a Warning for Progressives

Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:14 am
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:14 am
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In large urban metros, the number of children under 5 years old is in a free fall.

Children—and the millions of private decisions to have or not have them—are in the news these days, for regrettable reasons. Ohio Senator J. D. Vance, the Republican vice-presidential candidate, has made a habit of excoriating progressives who don’t have a record of procreation. In November 2020, he implied that childless Democratic leaders are “sociopathic.” In an interview with the Fox News host Tucker Carlson in 2021, he lamented that the country was being run by “a bunch of childless cat ladies.” Later that year, in an address in Southern California, he said he wanted “to take aim at the left, specifically the childless left … because I think the rejection of the American family is perhaps the most pernicious and most evil thing that the left has done in this country.”

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First, the facts. In large urban metros, the number of children under 5 years old is in a free fall, according to a new analysis of Census data by Connor O’Brien, a policy analyst at the think tank Economic Innovation Group. From 2020 to 2023, the number of these young kids declined by nearly 20 percent in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx. They also fell by double-digit percentage points in the counties making up most or all of Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

This exodus is not merely the result of past COVID waves. Yes, the pace of the urban exodus was fastest during the high-pandemic years of 2020 and 2021. But even at the slower rate of out-migration since then, several counties—including those encompassing Manhattan, Brooklyn, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco—are on pace to lose 50 percent of their under-5 population in 20 years. (To be clear, demographics have complex feedback loops and counter-feedback loops; the toddler population of these places won’t necessarily halve by the 2040s.)

Nor is the exodus merely the result of declining nationwide birth rates. Yes, women across the country are having fewer children than they used to. The share of women under 40 who have never given birth doubled from the early 1980s to the 2020s. But the under-5 population is still declining twice as fast in large urban counties as it is elsewhere, according to O’Brien’s census analysis.


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Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
16882 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:15 am to
San Francisco is the most childless big city in the country.

Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:24 am to
You know what "progressives" typically ignore?
Warnings.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61385 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:24 am to
probably because of housing


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At a glance, these trends may not seem like they have anything to do with contemporary progressivism. But they do. America’s richest cities are profoundly left-leaning, and many of them—including New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco—are themselves ensconced in left-leaning states. These places ought to be advertisements for what the modern progressive movement can achieve without meddlesome conservatism getting in the way, at the local or state level. If progressives want to sell their cause to the masses, they should be able to say: Elect us, and we’ll make America more like Oakland. Or Brooklyn. Or suburban Detroit. If they can’t make that argument, that’s a problem.

Right now it’s hard to make the argument, because urban progressivism is afflicted by an inability to build. Cities in red states are building much more housing than those in blue states. In 2024, Austin, Raleigh, and Phoenix are expected to expand their apartment inventory more than five times faster than San Diego, Baltimore, or San Francisco. Housing policy is the quantum field of urban life, extending across every sector and making contact with every problem. When cities fail on housing policy, the failure ripples.

Housing has for several years been the most common reason for moving, and housing in America’s biggest and richest blue cities is consistently the least affordable. According to the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University, among the cities with the highest median price-to-income ratios in 2023, nine of the top 10 were in California or Hawaii. The five cities with the most cost-burdened renters and owners were Los Angeles, Miami, San Diego, Honolulu, and Oxnard, followed by Riverside, Bakersfield, the New York metro area, and Fresno.

One hidden effect of expensive housing is that it raises the cost of local services and creates shortages of workers willing to accept low wages in labor-intensive industries, such as child care. As a result, large urban areas have more expensive child care, even relative to their higher levels of income. A 2023 analysis by the U.S. Department of Labor and the Women’s Bureau found that infant child care devoured the highest share of family income in large urban counties. Nationwide, the average family with at least one child under the age of 5 devotes about 13 percent of family income to pay for child care. But the typical infant day-care center in San Francisco and Chicago consumes about 20 percent of a local family’s income. In Boston, Manhattan, and Brooklyn, it’s more like 30 percent. Child care is just another example of how constrained housing supply can poison parts of the economy that don’t immediately seem to have anything to do with it.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24858 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:38 am to
Progressive messaging has several mantras.

ME, ME, and ME.

Climate Change DOOM

World Chaos: wars, pandemics, hunger, economic collapse.

All are deterrents to bringing children into the world.
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
9146 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:39 am to
Right. Housing.

What even the Libs think but don’t say out loud is that all of the policies in these cities have made them dangerous and a terrible place to raise kids. So they head out to the red counties and then don’t have the self-awareness to realize that both of these communities are a product of the social and political systems that reside there. Progressives ruin everything. It’s as immutable as the law of gravity.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104023 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:54 am to
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San Francisco is the most childless big city in the country.


And there are multiple reasons for that.

Some of the highest cost of living in the country, very leftist (big on abortion), and a huge gay community (not typically having children).


Add into that the crime / homelessness issues and it is one big shite sandwich people don’t want to raise their kids in if they don’t have massive amounts of income to shield themselves from it.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61385 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:56 am to
Sure, if you ignore actual data and rely on your emotions to formulate ideas.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157798 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:59 am to
Mothers love pushing strollers onto the subway car trying to escape a drugged out crazy person harassing people at the station.


Posted by Miner
Birmingport
Member since Nov 2017
1517 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:07 am to
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These places ought to be advertisements for what the modern progressive movement can achieve without meddlesome conservatism getting in the way, at the local or state level.


They are advertisements of modern progressive movement. Shitholes with rampant crime and homelessness
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79981 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:20 am to
quote:

 These places ought to be advertisements for what the modern progressive movement can achieve without meddlesome conservatism

Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
17468 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:23 am to
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Sure, if you ignore actual data and rely on your emotions to formulate ideas.


Holy cow. The lack of self awareness in this post is simply mind boggling.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109264 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:29 am to
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if you ignore actual data and rely on your emotions to formulate ideas


... you might just be a Progressive.


Great opening for a series of "you might be a Prog" jokes in the style of Jeff Foxworthy.

I'll start.

If you prefer to live with your parents into your 20s instead of getting a job and providing for yourself...


... you might be a Progressive.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59254 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:40 am to
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You know what "progressives" typically ignore?
Warnings.


Incorrect. They see them, they just refuse to think their policies may be what's causing the problem. They, therefore, double-down on their policies as they think that will fix the issue.

Society has to break down nearly completely before they remove their blinders. California is still not willing to see that things like raising the amount of theft needed to be considered a felony ($950) and/or giving out free needles to addicts instead of arresting them, etc. has contributed to the increased exodus of families and businesses from the state.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:44 am
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
9146 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:41 am to
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Sure, if you ignore actual data and rely on your emotions to formulate ideas.


Or, if you have family members who are liberals who move out of Manhattan along with their friends to Bergen County, NJ who tell you straight up why they and their contemporaries are moving out of the city.

Know-nothing frickwad.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:42 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299586 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:42 am to
This is why they're emptying prisons in South America and sending those people here.

Progressives need maids, cooks and dishwashers.

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:43 am to
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probably because of housing



Yet another self-inflicted wound, particularly in California.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299586 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:44 am to
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Sure, if you ignore actual data and rely on your emotions to formulate ideas.
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I rely on experience.

Democrats have destroyed their own cities/utopias. It was predicted, theyre too stupid to understand cause and effect.

When we tried to tell you people this would happen y'all laughed.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:45 am to
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When we tried to tell you people this would happen y'all laughed.


More than that. They laughed, insulted US, and in some cases made threats or caused actual harm.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3947 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:52 am to
If a couple does have kids and is not filthy rich, urban areas are a downer... no space to let the kids run free, and suddenly all that busy noisy life is a detriment to sleep that you need because you have a child depending on you.

So, it's natural that they move to the suburbs.

And, it seems, they bring their politically liberal and progressive politics with them.

Then, when the kids are gone many move back to cities.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:53 am
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