re: The Truth: No One is Born Gay or Trans.

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I wonder if Homophobia is considered a mental disorder?

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This board? 100%

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You say people are born gay, therefore gay is "good." But people are born lots of things that we try to actively avoid, or train, or teach them out of. And most of these choices made have a variety of moral, scientific, or cultural reasons that we want to make sure people are good contributors to society.

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Do unto others. Sadly, this has to be explained to you.

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What does society have to gain?

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Civility.

They have been pushing the gay/trans stuff on kids so young that don't even know what's what, so they claim to be gay or trans and it's not based on legit feelings and emotions.

With that said, I've known a couple of people since being a child who were extremely feminine as kids even with masculine dads. And they turned out to be gay. So some people are obviously born gay (the for real gay people). Knew a set of identical twins too where one was athletic and played sports with us and the other was extremely feminine and ended up coming out as gay.

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With that said, I've known a couple of people since being a child who were extremely feminine as kids even with masculine dads. And they turned out to be gay.

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Smaller males with kind doting moms and masculine dads are more likely to be gay in studies.

This is typically due to identifying more closely with the mom and trying to be more like her.

I posted one of the foundational studies on this a couple pages back.

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Knew a set of identical twins too where one was athletic and played sports with us and the other was extremely feminine and ended up coming out as gay.

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Same DNA, this is a argument in favor of family relations influencing homosexual behavior.

One twin felt less like a male in relation to his more traditionally male sibling.

So he gravitated to rejecting male behavior.

In the original separated twin study the one whos brother was "only bi", had sexual fantasies about his twin.

Twins are know to align with and repulsed each other.

Humans are curious.

Chicken, I don't know what you're paying for your bots, but you're getting your money's worth. I've never seen better trolls.

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The Kinsey Scale is a hypothesis.
It is not "a claim" which was then simply accepted as fact.

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Let's review

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You say this like it's fact.

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You said

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It is.

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I'm fine with it being a theory you hold.

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Homosexual incidence in any such set is obviously extremely rare. In the isolated twin study which you dismissed, the statistical odds of observed homosexual concordance falls in the range of 1 in 2.56 million.

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I actually found the study you had mentioned and posted it, in the 9 sets of female twins (vs 44 where homosexuality was not present) who were raised separately there was no case where both were homosexual, the conclusion was that for females it is not biological.

For the males, it was 1 set of both gay males (both had first been raped by males at 13).
And 1 set of a gay male and bi male.
(The gay one had first been raped by a male at 12, and the bi one at 15).

This very much is a huge statistical outlier that would indicate molestation at a young age impacted sexuality.

If you have another study feel free to share.

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Male arousal studies demonstrating virtually no arousal to female stimuli in approximately 2% of men who coincidentally identified as gay and also coincidentally demonstrated prompt arousal to male stimuli

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Those males had decades of forming their pleasure responses.
There is no coincidence, that's how their brains process reward mechanisms.
Massive dopamine releases associated with things.
Like pedophiles and people who are into animals or dead bodies, or anime girls.
Its known that prolonged exposure to porn can lead to ED in males.
These only tell you where someone is at, not how they got there.

I'm not denying where they are, only saying they got there through life experiences.

Is it a choice for them today? No, just like Pavlov's dog, they will always have that response. Like a fentanyl user, their body is going to have to deal with the impact.

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The Kinsey hypothesis been tested genetically with established linkage to Chromosomes 8 and X.

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Sure post the study, how many showed the same base pairs?
Each Chromosome has at least tens of millions of base pairs.
There are well funded efforts to find a genetic basis, but there is no conclusive link.

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Your Asian attraction premise obviously ignores the above facts in the same way a moon landing denier ignores contemporary Soviet tracking or subsequent satellite photography of the landing sites.

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Your data isn't what you say it is.
You could easily p-hack a large number of studies to show a genetic predisposition to Asian women in American men.
Its simple statistically, you perform a large number of separate studies on separate samples you withhold all the ones that dont align with your conclusion.

Research from China is rife with this now.

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Your premise seems to be that attraction is malleable,

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My premise is that just like everything else in life we like, it's set during childhood as our brain develops. Definitely by 13 at latest these preferences are quite well set and in no way malleable, though I do suppose some could pick up new preferences, dropping one would be possibly insurmountable.

The seminal study on the family with multiple gay twins concluded that the brutal male stereotype father and comforting mother significantly pushed those children into a gay lifestyle beyond any statistically possible way. Its cited in many many of these studies.

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But if you stick it in my face, I care. If you market that crap to kids, I care. If you try to mainstream dangerous gay/trans behavior, I care.

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I think we do agree on that (BTW I really do enjoy your responses).

The gay from birth model allows quite a bit of problems for society that the Pride movement takes advantage of to enact some of the efforts you mention.

Abuse - it allows abusers to justify that those under 18 arent being harmed, but that they really always wanted it no matter what age as long as they get a response. Parents wont ask questions about if someone touched their kid in scouts if they think gay was always coming.

Trans parents - it allows the movement to tell parents that there is nothing wrong with surrounding ones kids with gay and Trans pride (school classrooms anyone?), if their kids weren't born gay then there will be no reason it would affect them.

Stereotyping - we see it here plenty of right wing people have said oh you can see it when they are kids totally saw that coming, their dad was manly and they were a weak little flaunting...
Yea, if you dont provide a attainable and relatable male figure in a child's life they will latch onto their mother, we know single mothers raise way more gay males.

By the way I do really believe we are all born Kinsey 2-3 (or 1 to 4 if you prefer based on alignment with male standards).
We really have nothing going on, and we could set on anything, or nothing and we have almost no control over it.
Society and biology will move use towards sex, the dopamine reward function is one of the most powerful drivers in any species.

To quote, if you gave rats a choice between dopamine and food they would bang that dopamine button till they starve to death.